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Wonder if it was possible for some people to abuse the system as I'm not sure what checks are being put in place.
Would it possible to not use the tests and create a nice little stockpile which could be sold on the black market.
Someone mentioned they cost £75 to purchase privately.
Nice little earner for someone possibly ?
I suspect that LFT's for schools will last about a month or so before being abandoned.
They are going to be VERY expensive(to test every school child on a regular basis), probably unreliable. AND probably detect minute amounts of infection.
We are currently seeing the end to this second wave.(in the UK). As soon as parents gain confidence that their children are pretty safe they will stop using them.
PCR for variants is the Key to control the virus.
IMO - Not sure we ever saw the end of the first wave.
Don't want to create waves but it is possible with some manipulation and timing regards the recording of data.
The lfts in schools is just to get rid of them ffs. If they're trying to use them up at covid testing centres to make way for new inventory of 12 hour turnaround tests, I imagine they'll be utilising the schools returning to also use them up
Looks like there sending out the useless innova tests for schools. Our incompetent gov probably need to get rid of the stock pile.
What is interesting is that we are NOT seeing any new BidStats orders for LFTs.
It may well come but the big last batch from Innova was the last order i have actually seen signed off ?
An order can't go to AVCT until their product is validated, ODX could maybe get one? but otherwise i don't see where the "Buy British" will go exactly? despite the media speculation?
Meanwhile, I still wonder about the Saliva Test with AZK, why collect data from 54,000 tests IF you are not going to do something with it?
To me Logic dictates that the Saliva test would be more logical to use with school kids than swob's but WTFDIK
Government still have Innova tests coming out of their ears trying to clear asap, hence giving to all the schools and the children's parents.
NHS employees also have had boxes for home testing to clear so they can then use their new tests. Its the Insight saliva test - for details see Joe Pinkstone For Mainline 12th Feb.
Yes the way they are chucking innova tests about is noticeable, most folk don't even stick them far enough up thier hooter to make it work accurately
The home test kits are all Innova I think. I'm good at poking them deep up the nose! My Dylan won't let me do the tests on him again, he told me I almost stabbed his brain out and hurt him lol. That was after I made him gag lol poor kid!!
Not sure but are tests compulsory for secondary school pupils and students ?
' Secondary schools WILL be expected to carry out 3 on-site covid tests of their pupils within the first fortnight before switching to home-testing. '
Yes troublesome, compulsory for secondary school but our junior schools is recommending them as well. We're doing them, although I am not sure of the major benefits of the lateral flow tests but I guess for right now they are better than nothing.
Imagine being a single parent with erm how to phrase this , street wise kids who oft bunk school aged 14/15/16 etc , can you see them sitting nicely whilst mummy or daddy impale them on a stick or self administering , at least with little ones you stand a small chance with blackmail , sweeties, up late etc. Just don't see this working with kids. They will poke it just inside nostril if at all. I recall at 16 I thought I was invincible and was a horror heeding no ones advice and doing what I thought was cool. They arent going to be thinking about transmitting it to others, the vast majority will pay lip service if that.
Plenty of info in this short video regarding lateral flow test's. From the info contained it appears that the DHSC are in the process of setting up a Dynamic Purchasing System for lft's starting later this month with an expenditure ceiling of £10 billion for the next 12 month's.
https://vimeo.com/516654709/b3f7bdeda6
Exmex re the 10bn is that replacing the 22bn tender which lots including microgen were in for?
Kaeren, it will be an unmitigated disaster where most teens are concerned. The only way to ensure the little darlings are properly tested is to do it during the day at school by a member of staff!
@Airlineboy,
The Govt document says initially ' As laid out in the road map, secondary school pupils and college students WILL now be tested twice a week. However, later says ' will be encouraged but NOT mandatory '.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-households-with-children-of-school-aged-to-get-rapid-covid-19-tests-per-person-per-week
Crazy that only 81,000 positive cases out of 4.18m have been identified as a result of LFT's but yet that is where the focus seems to be.
OK i didn't realise that I thought it was compulsory. As the tests are so inaccurate I have to wonder if it really matters?
As a schoolteacher for 38 yrs in many schools there is little I have not seen or even done. Tests are mooted. Just like Boris said schools were safe when they certainly are not....I would say that home testing is a mistaken farce. Many parents will not do it and some kids will refuse. Some parents snd /or kids are sure to tell untruths . One cannot put the onus on parents. It won’t work. Period.
But they may do it anyway. 65% success rate LFT? Not sure apart from kudos as to the govt’s rationale. You simply cannot rely upon home testing . You really can’t. And as one poster put....it could create a nice little market.
I have not taught since March as my wife has copd . But she has first jab tomorrow and me Thursday. I will ask some colleagues what the score is.
Not gonna work.
Waste of money and unreliable means of monitoring as implementation cannot be trusted.
Airlineboy you seem to place an awful lot of trust in the competence of school staff to be able to do it. I don’t know what your teachers were like at school but a decent proportion of mine were absolute morons.
Lol Soder, I had my fair share of useless teachers BUT most were fantastic, patient and nurturing and as I've matured I realise how difficult a job they have. I take my hat off to them, as I'd be inside for murder or at the very least battery and assault! I think everyone at our school is great and I do place a lot of trust in them. I think they could carry out the testing!
@Airlineboy
In addition, Schools and Colleges ' will not be expected ' to provide test kits to families or administer the family testing process.
The Govt advice is full of weasel words because basically they are washing their hands of the whole process and are not willing to take any real leadership and avoid responsibility should things go awry or horribly wrong re: individual cases or otherwise.
Deriter here is the article you referenced Tks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9254489/British-scientists-develop-new-saliva-test-Covid-19.html
To be honest the following from war and peace sorry I mean the research and development Rns (astonishing length on reflection)
Successful implementation of saliva testing of AstraZeneca staff using the genesig® COVID-19 assay
In early 2020, AstraZeneca set up an internal programme of voluntary SARS-CoV-2 testing for asymptomatic employees in the UK and Sweden using Novacyt's genesig® COVID-19 test. By February 2021, approximately 70,000 SARS-CoV-2 PCR tests had been completed within AstraZeneca's internal global testing centres, of which 54,000 are based on saliva swabs. Following the introduction of saliva testing, adoption by employees increased approximately four-fold and over 90% of 1,062 employees surveyed expressed a preference for the change from the typical oropharyngeal (throat) or nasopharyngeal (nasal) swabs. The study highlights the 90% uptake of saliva testing for asymptomatic patients and the excellent detection rates of 0.33 copies of whole viral genome RNA/µL, sensitivity of =95% and 100% specificity.9 These result shows how PCR testing can be used for asymptomatic mass-testing.
Which seems way ahead of the Sanger institute 54,000 samples now that is a trial.
Wilson63, from what I can see this is only being set up strictly for the purchase of lateral flow rapid antigen test's. Companies need to have their test successfully validated before they can be added to the list of supplier's.Where the money is coming from is unknown, it could possibly be from the £22billion framework or they've been back to the money tree.
And that is out of about 5m tests (based on a quick calculation on the graph on page 4). So if I've got my sums right, there is only a 1.5% chance of an LFT finding a positive case. Value for money?