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mrcaustious - Indeed, it is possible to put n x 100Gbs waves down a single fibre. It does not need to be a pair though. This is true for any provider which has a fibre infrastructure. As you have stated Cityfibre don't have wavelength services on the fibre connectivity they provide. The companies that do provide it in the UK are COLT and Zayo.
Isen - I think this is a very logical possibility.
EIH- again you are not understnding CF's business model ! I never said that CF have active equipment and wavelength services on the fibre connectivity they provide. What I was saying was this is is possible once you have fibre to put n x 100Gbps waves down a single fibre pair. And I am sorry but I am correct that CF have a contract with CF for connectivity in some parts of their network. It is true that Vodafoner still use a vast amount of Openreach and BT wholesale for a lot of their cell site backhaul needs but one of the the reasons VF bought Cable and Wireless a few years ago was to lessen their dependance on BT. You have to understnad that these are big National networks and there would never be just one connectivity provider, but my experience is that most people try to lessen their exposure to BT. Virgins FTTP project is a consumer led project and as I said previously this is not Cityfibres business.
Isengard7 Virgin Media has a lot old Legacy CATV network which it inherited from NTL and other cable companies and it is slow where this Network exists. However, Virgin Media is rolling out superfast full fibre network accros the UK where there is currently no VM service and will also upgrade existing networks later. All this is backed by a 3 Biilion pound investment by VMs parent company, Liberty Global. BTW, Cityfibres technology/ equipment is out of date now.
mrcautious, I have heard that Cityfibre's network would highly compliment Zayo's network in the UK as they also specialise in dark fibre. Not wanting to jump the gun to say Zayo would buy CityFibre but its interesting to know that their respective networks would have good synergies.
mrcautious, Nice to see someone who knows their stuff. I have only been in Telecoms for the last 2.5 years. but its enough to know, that you know telecoms. And i agree on Viirgin being slow. Network guys where I work complain about Virgin being crap. Never heard them say anything bad about CityFibre.
ElHumphreys, regarding City fibre's max speed being 75mb/s virgin offering over 200mb/s, Firstly you pay significantly more for 200mb/s. I know from first hand experience that when buying the VOOM Fibre product from Virgin which they launched this year, for residential customers. I heard that the speeds were abysmal. we get betwewn 20 and 30mb/s. Virgin's products in some areas like Leeds is atrocious. But there is no alternative products in that area. In other words there is a gap in the market for an alternative provider. Virgin are just overrated. Leeds is a good example where BT and Virgin are seriously lacking. Virgin is not as great as you might think. I have never personally heard of any bad experiences with Cityfibre. albeit I am only familiar with their dark fibre in York and that's very reliable. Never had any negative experiences with their dark fibre and our network guys say its a good service. Can't say same for Virgin. We only use Virgin because in most parts of country there isn't much of an alternative.
mrcaution. multi-100Gbps wavelenghths? What a load of nonsense. CityFibre don't even have equipment to support 10Gigabit ccts. Regarding Virgin Media, they are rolling out FTTP all across the UK under project Lightening, a �3 Billion investment by parent company Liberty Global And Vodafone is not using CF infrastructure, your information is incorrect. Infact Vodafone is currently talking with Openreach for a joint investment for full fibre rollout.
No probs ! 25 years in the telecoms technology business has to have some uses !
Very helpful thank you for posting mrcautious
EIH - as an industry veteran I want to comment on your post a little. Firstly Vodafone are using CF infrastructure. Virgin have reasonable coverage but at relatively low speeds as they are an end-user carrier whereas you could say CF are more of a carriers carrier. Also, Virgin are not to my knowledge inv olved in large scale fibre build-outs in the way that CF are. Also, you speak of residential customers which is great but this is not really CF's business model so you are comparing apples with pears to a large extent. Think of CF as the 38 tonner that moves stuff regionally and the likes of Virgin as the Fiesta van which delivers stuffto your home !
Not really an accurate statement. Cityfibre use terms like Gigabit Cities and Gigabit Britain as marketing rhetoric, as most no-technical people understand this as they have gome across Gigabit Ethernet etc etc.However the truth is more wonderful than this. CF provide fibre infrastructure and connectivity that actually allows multi-gigabit connectivity and in some cases with the latest technology multi-100Gbps wavelenghths on a single fibre pair. Trouble is this is confusing for the guy in the street so we just stick to talking about Gigabit speeds.
My understanding is that Cityfibre also offer GIgabit speeds
Virgin Media, Openreach and Vodafone are also rolling out full fibre networks with faster speeds than CityFibre and billions of pounds investment. CityFibre�s maximum speed for residential customers in York is up to 75Mb/s. Virgin Media offers residential customers over 200Mb/s and of course Gigabit service to businesses.
Like SKY and the mobile phone companies it's very very expensive to put the infrastructure in place But once it's there and people take to it all you pay for is maintenance This is a stock you need to buy now and think pension
Not a stock I know but I guess the 58m of debt doesn't help
Yes agreed this is being screwed with big time ! CF is a very solid business with more valuable and appreciating fiber infrastructure by the day.
Looks over sold to me. results seem Ok, I agree. 8% spread - will see if this improves during the day. GLA
This drop, I don't understand the results look positive
SP heading for a record low. Nearly nine million shares sold today!
Bought in today, looks good for a medium to longer term investment. It's showing as a sell which leads me to think there are a few more buys going through but showing as sells! Fibre network is in demand and the Government supportive and backing the industry. Cityfibre could be well placed to take a share of the opportunity on offer. GLA
Interesting reading. Vodafone/Openreach joint investment http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/08/22/vodafone-talks-openreach-big-investment-uk-broadband/
Haha, Looks like Benny bulldog cannot understand English very well.
Ah ha looks like Billy bullshit just been caught out. Tripping over his own lies .