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Openreach fibre plan for 10m premises coming 'before Christmas. Chair says he needs to kill copper network, maybe build 5G backhaul too. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/13/openreach_fibre_plan_for_10m_premises_coming_before_christmas/

Foggy100. Lets not speculate and wait and see what happens.

foggy100. Ask Vodafone not me. I am not a Spokesperson for VF

Ironic, I am not trying to harm or damage anyone. Just putting my views forward. If you look back on the posts you will see that some people miss my posts and I feel obliged to post. If you feel threatened by my posts, well, that�s your problem!

Ironic, Putting a view forward or replying to other posts cannot be classed as illegal. I, or anyone else has as much right to publish their views as you have. Seems like you feel threatened by facts or other peoples views.

Ironic, yes, youll have to wait 20 years for the �5 million pounds that�s if Vodafone can achieve their target for 20 years. In the meantime City may go bust or get acquired by another Telco, possibly Vodafone.

Lokash, if that is what you believe, Good luck! I am not criticising anyones opinion.

SpikeyJ. Yes, a very good deal, indeed, excellent for Vodafone! They probably couldn�t resist a cheap offer from City otherwise they could have built the network themselves like they do across the Globe. Why pay City to build, own and operate it when Vodafone has the capability themselves especially when Vodafone are putting up the all money to build it. City will soon get a shock when they realise it is not as cheap to dig up streets as they have estimated, like Google Fibre did!

75Mbs, yes. Check out the speeds offered by Sky UFO and Talk Talk in York. Download speeds on the Gigabit Fibre network can reach as high as 1000Mbps. Yes, only if you get 1000Mbs which is only offered to businesses at a very expensive price by City. Citys GPON system is based on ITU-T G.984 Gigabit-capable Passive Optical Networks, and uses passive splitters in the Network. It will be very uneconomical and beyond Citys capabilty to offer a Gig to each customer.

City expects the indicative cost to construct the FTTH/P network at maturity should be in the range of �350 to �480 per home passed. This shows lack of experience. Costs will start rising as soon as it starts to construct and it is unlikely that City will construct urban areas at a cost of less than around �600 per home especially with rising inflation over the next few years.

City�s Full fibre residential FTTH is based on outdated basic GPON technology and offers residential customers up to 75Mbps. Virgin Media�s new FTTP rollout is based on CWDM and offers speeds of over 300Mbps (more than four times CF�s speed) and cheaper as well as offering triple play services. And yes Virgin Media also offer business customers 1 Gig connections. Who wants City/Vodafone�s up to 75Mbps when they can have Virgin Media�s 300Mbps? It didn�t work in York (sky pulled out and Talktalk is struggling) and It�s not going to work anywhere else.

The first phase of the agreement encompassing one million homes is estimated by CityFibre to be worth over �500 million over 20 years, assuming that the ten-year 20% minimum volume commitment is maintained throughout the subsequent ten years. It is only an estimate by CF and there is no guarantee that the ten-year 20% minimum volume commitment will maintained throughout the subsequent ten years. And given the competition, it is unlikely.

City�s and Vodafone�s announcements are mainly FTTH propaganda talking up what a big deal fibre is compared to copper and how shocking it is that the UK (i.e. Openreach) hasn�t got it together to fibre-up the whole country yet.

Hi Benbuild, I sold all my City shares a while back and have no intention of buying any more City shares. But as you missing me, I�ve posted a few comments for your benefit.

mrcautios, your info is incorrect. CF also provide sub 1Gig ccts to business customers via resellers using basic GPON technolology which has it's limitations.

mrcaustious - Indeed, it is possible to put n x 100Gbs waves down a single fibre. It does not need to be a pair though. This is true for any provider which has a fibre infrastructure. As you have stated Cityfibre don't have wavelength services on the fibre connectivity they provide. The companies that do provide it in the UK are COLT and Zayo.

Isengard7 Virgin Media has a lot old Legacy CATV network which it inherited from NTL and other cable companies and it is slow where this Network exists. However, Virgin Media is rolling out superfast full fibre network accros the UK where there is currently no VM service and will also upgrade existing networks later. All this is backed by a 3 Biilion pound investment by VMs parent company, Liberty Global. BTW, Cityfibres technology/ equipment is out of date now.

mrcaution. multi-100Gbps wavelenghths? What a load of nonsense. CityFibre don't even have equipment to support 10Gigabit ccts. Regarding Virgin Media, they are rolling out FTTP all across the UK under project Lightening, a �3 Billion investment by parent company Liberty Global And Vodafone is not using CF infrastructure, your information is incorrect. Infact Vodafone is currently talking with Openreach for a joint investment for full fibre rollout.

Virgin Media, Openreach and Vodafone are also rolling out full fibre networks with faster speeds than CityFibre and billions of pounds investment. CityFibre�s maximum speed for residential customers in York is up to 75Mb/s. Virgin Media offers residential customers over 200Mb/s and of course Gigabit service to businesses.

SP heading for a record low. Nearly nine million shares sold today!