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Started: Gold_Investor, 21 May 2024 21:08
Last post: ANDREYAAA, Today 19:30
K3VMC how many shares do you have? Most name callers like you are broke af. People who have shares are usually very polite.
Andrey
“ The only hope for the Evraz plc is selling Evraz NA at a very high price. So far I see no buyers or no will to sell.”
Rest assured that EVR shareholders see you as nothing more than a carpetbagger. No-one believes that you have any extra insight or knowledge of the Evraz group or the NA sales process.
No offence meant. Your dogged persistence is remarkable, however.
Thank you for a very upbeat massage. The main fly in the ointment is the illegal and corrupt sanctions by this soon to be terminated unelected and unelectable uk regime.
No fire sales are required of EVR North America. EVRAZ PLC FTSE 100 company is not for sale.!!!!!!! RASP are a real jewel in this global enterprise.
Please keep up all your great work.
I have enough shares already to support a 1 usd per share buyback. For the prices other western businesses had sold Russian assets I am 100% sure 80% of the corporate/funds/banks Evraz plc shareholders would accept this buyback offer with pleasure.
the typical price of the out of Russia deal is like this:
Just for you all to understand the real prices here is today's news from Russia. The price is 2 bln for 18 bln of pure money just for the permission to take to UK 2 bpn out of 17! This is why the situation of not ESOing is so bad in my view, cause it would mean a sale like this.
Expobank buys HSBC subsidiary at 90% discount
03/21/2024, 15:31
Tatiana Voronova
The transaction amount could be only 2 billion rubles with the bank’s capital of 17 billion
The Russian subsidiary of the global investment bank HSBC is being sold at a record discount for the Russian market. Two sources familiar with the details of the deal confirmed this to Frank Media. One of them knows that the discount will be “significant”, i.e. much more than what is required by law. The second interlocutor indicates that an option was discussed in which it would amount to about 90% of the capital. Thus, HSBC Bank can leave with a minimal multiplier - with the bank’s capital of 17 billion rubles, the transaction amount could be about 2 billion rubles.
I can read your messages in the past. For sure for those traded in and are not longterm investor, a nice way out. For you a nice price for a company which is multiple worth than 1$/1£.
It was posted earlier here that X5 has only assets in Russia. Thats not the fact here. Evraz has a multi billion asset in North America. As well the largest shareholder has billions of $ of frozen assets. ESO would do more harm to Evraz , thats the reason ESO was/is not in scope.
I think this could change when the North American Asset would be sold and Non Russian shareholders would get a buyback offer. Just summarise points i was reading the past hour here in the history of the chat.
Started: ANDREYAAA, 23 May 2024 13:29
Last post: Gold_Investor, 23 May 2024 19:12
So far the only ESO example was X5 which has only Russian assets and so with not comparable. It was written here before, the upcoming AGM will bring more light on the next steps of Evraz.
Obviously you are Russian and you know that at any scenario you win. Your story is comfortable for you … thats all. None of your previous written statements came to reality … was reading them all now.
The external debt of PLC is 1.1B$ in rest of Eurobonds - where off likely another 450M$ are owned by Russian holders. Are you aware that Evraz Russia owe NA 400M$.
You never mention any point which not support you scare stories …
You say: Evraz has no desire and plan to do ESO yet
how do you know that? any proof? YOU don't want it to ESO - that's ok, but speaking for Evraz plc? I don't know what they want since I am not an insider, I just think that ESO will benefit both big shareholders and Rus gov, so they would do it and I bet my money on it.
NA assets have been cash negative for all time and have some debt - i personally value them at zero or very low. If they stay in the Evraz plc after ESO - i absolutely don't care. Just remember that PLC has 2.5+ bln usd debt they still have to cover somehow with all the money locked in Russia.
What you need to understand, that Evraz is legal registered as public company in UK. They have large assets in Russia and North America. The Shareholder split is 72% Russian / 28% Non Russian. none in the west can attack the russian assets neather russia the NA ones. Evraz has no desire and plan to do ESO yet.
All your past posts are constructed to worry shareholders to sell. Otherwise stop to post your Evraz not related stories and wait that someone is selling to you.
Putin allowed the use of US property to compensate for the seizure of assets
23/05/2024
The war of sanctions
Vladimir Putin (Photo: Gavriil Grigorov / Sputnik / Reuters)
Russian courts have been granted the right to use American property in Russia to compensate for damage caused by the seizure of Russian assets in the United States, according to a decree by President Vladimir Putin.
We are talking about the movable and immovable property of the United States, American companies and citizens located on the territory of Russia, as well as securities owned by them, shares in the authorized capitals of Russian companies and other property rights of the United States and Americans in Russia.
so far no UK or EU citizens, but we all know where this is heading. Evraz plc needs to beg for ESO as soon as possible.
Started: ANDREYAAA, 12 May 2024 16:37
Last post: ANDREYAAA, 21 May 2024 18:32
The European Commission has announced today the first withdrawal of income from frozen Russian sovereign assets in July 2024. Money will go to Ukraine's military. For now 3-5 bln euro a year. Russia has repeatedly stated that it would respond in kind. Evraz plc (a UK entity) needs to push for ESOing as soon as possible in my view before it gets hit in these retaliation strikes.
There are properties frozen in UK and EU worth 500m$
Chelsea money and some other assets / shares he could not move out his investment vehicle.
You get quick to 5B$
This is from WSJ article "abramovich-pledged-3-billion-for-ukraine-war-victims-the-money-is-frozen-in-the-u-k": Even before Russian tanks entered Ukraine in February 2022, Abramovich and his advisers moved quickly to shield him from global sanctions by transferring a large chunk of his wealth into his children’s names and sailing his fleet of yachts out of territories where Western sanctions applied, according to filings and people familiar with the matter.
But nonetheless 3 USD bln from the football club seem to still be in UK frozen which this article says so you have not entirely made this 7 bln figure up which is good. Although both in Yandex and in Polymetal cases the funds did just absolutely nothing to protect their client's money.
Abramovich example - £5.4B
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/13/jersey-freezes-54bn-of-assets-linked-to-roman-abramovich
I really have no idea about the frozen assets of them personally - it is not covered in Russia and I have seen no documents or official statements whatsoever. All I know is that the FC Chelsea he had was sold and the money was frozen or something. Never even heard about the 2 other guys.
Started: devil666, 7 May 2024 20:26
Last post: devil666, 7 May 2024 20:26
Another letter with loads of sense.
Started: Austria12, 1 May 2024 17:29
Last post: devil666, 4 May 2024 09:15
I still dont understand why EVR dont move to another exchange. The FSTE prestige is ebbing.
Caan nice to read that you met him. Also interesting, as its sounds that the deal was not going ahead.
Evraz as company is doing really week we did over 4B$ Ebidta in 2022 and over 3B$ Ebidta in 2023. Company paid over 1B debt off since begin of 2022 and will pay in 2024 more debt off.
Brilliant time
So YOUR scaremongering prior to march ESO!!! it's happening creating fear and making the weak sell to you!! it didn't happen!!!! but your tactics were great as the weak sold to you!! Now yoU saying next ESO??? YOU PUT YOUR MONEY ON IT? How do i know you will when ESO doesn't come in. Will you transfer your shares to a charity.. listen I've looked you in the eye, met you face to face, you would sell sand to an arab and say its gold!!!
There are 3500 shareholders and 10 madman. These 10 people fill all the internet with cult-like nonsense about how Evraz Plc is doing great and ESO not happening, sanctions lifted tomorrow, NA assets worth a lot, Evraz default is not a default etc. etc. And when asked what price they are willing to pay for the shares they run away screaming because they know Evraz Plc is a zero and don't want to put ANY money in. I believe in ESO-ing soon and put my OWN money in. That is the key difference between us.
"Even the cult now agrees that ESO will happen."
What cult is that?
Show some evidence and I might sell you my shares (39,650).
Started: devil666, 3 May 2024 11:17
Last post: devil666, 3 May 2024 11:17
My shares are not for sale ,even at £20 each.. END OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Started: ANDREYAAA, 23 Apr 2024 18:20
Last post: ANDREYAAA, 1 May 2024 17:35
I will be in UK from 5th of May to 9th of May, after that I have to change passport/visa, so next deals earliest JULY 2024 if no Evraz ESO before that. So write me an email to: chinaadr2021 at yandex.ru to discuss the deals if you want to get the money for your stocks since ESO will nullify them for foreigners.
Nothing happened like ESO - they would need to communicate like X5 did any change.
Fact is that the asset balance of Evraz Group is now way better than H1-22.
AGM will show the way forward
" Evraz Plc is not releasing results because they would have to write off Russian assets since they don't control them any more".
Show a link to where it states that.
AGM will be a 100% waste of time. I agree with the guy who wrote that Evraz Plc is not releasing results because they would have to write off Russian assets since they don't control them any more and that would make an enormous hole in the balance of Evraz Plc and Evraz Plc would have to report negative net assets as a result. BP, Shell, Coca-Cola and more than 200 companies have written off Russian assets worth more than 80 bln pounds and I see absolutely no reason why Evraz Plc would be an exception in the write off rule.
All numbers are now in 3 reports available.
The facts i wrote before… clearly you have no idea from accounting …
No ESO is coming and the AGM will reconfirm this.
Looking forward to the AGM
Started: devil666, 29 Apr 2024 21:02
Last post: Robbo61, 30 Apr 2024 23:44
Sanctions will be lifted at some stage Kerching Keep the faith
US eases sanctionsToday 13:36
Looks like some Americans are going to make a lot of money
JUST BUSINESS: US eases sanctions on 10 largest Russian banks
The American Ministry of Finance has authorized transactions with Russian banks for payments “for energy,” including for oil, gas and timber.
This is from another share I hold and was posted seems as though maybe light at the end of the tunnel whatever US does we follow so maybe just maybe sanctions may be start to being looked at we can hope
GLA
"Why not just copy and paste it here?"
Why not just copy and paste it here rather than write why not just copy and paste it here?
Why not just copy and paste it here?
Started: thechinaman, 29 Apr 2024 11:01
Last post: thechinaman, 29 Apr 2024 16:49
Thanks - shame EVR doesn’t keep its website updated!
We had last year an AGM on 30.06.23 and will have this year one too (so long no big surprises happen)
Lots of discussion on Telegram re questions to ask at AGM. Just wishful thinking or rumour? Can’t see any references to a date on Evraz website (last one in 2022). Can anyone clarify?
TIA
TC
Started: BrownAndBrown, 29 Apr 2024 16:36
Last post: BrownAndBrown, 29 Apr 2024 16:36
No specialist on ESO and not forcing anyone into a trade but if you are looking for liquidity;
I am looking to add about 20,000 shares.
My current bid is 1 GBP.
Feel free to add me on telegram @joaobru1 or email me; certificate.transaction at gmail.com.
I am based in the EU and can settle most currencies.
Started: devil666, 28 Apr 2024 19:19
Last post: devil666, 28 Apr 2024 19:19
Is required . Evraz plc will survive. This global company is not for sale.. DONT SELL YOUR SHARES.
Unless your on your death bed and no one to leave the shares to, or perhaps stoney broke, ??
best solution was to write off the hares as a total loss, then you can concentrate what you have now in life,
If you have managed for the past 2 years im sure another 2-3 wont make much difference,
my advice would put into the terms of your will, and leave to the grandchildren or next of kin,
i think in a couple of years EVRAZ could be a nice Dividend earner, providing the war doesnt expand into the rest of Europe??
with over $100 Billion dollars already earmarked from around the World, the war is going to last a very long time, with hundreds of thousands of Soldiers from both sides giving up their lives for the sake of 1 mans power ambitions!!!!
Maybe we will get lucky and Putin will drop dead in the next couple of years???
"I suspect this may be a stock I hold for a very long time."
Be it intentionally or unintentionally!
Like the rest of us!
GLASH.
I suspect this may be a stock I hold for a very long time.
Not sure there is a lot of choice really.
This w weillbe sorted before 2 years Keep the faith
Started: prionace, 29 Mar 2024 16:39
Last post: BrownAndBrown, 17 Apr 2024 15:53
I am not Andrey and I do not live in Russia.
Alas I do not own a crystal ball and do not know what will happen.
But in case anyone is looking for a buyer from a EU country.
I am still $1,25 bid and can settle in USD, EUR or GBP.
good luck all
I would rather my Evraz shares remain worthless then see the Russian war criminals take Ukraine.
Dont sell your shares. Really needs patience. Ucrane needs total capitulation.Hurry up so that EVR is sanction free.
Joao is Andrey .
Keep your shares guys. Just hang in there we will be fine , it may take a couple years but we will be fine in the end.,
Russia and Ukraine have to negotiate at some point it’s inevitable . The inevitable truth of war is they all end in negotiations! That doesn’t mean as allies, it means peace as enemies, but it always ends in negotiations!
Hello Prionace,
I might be interested in your shares.
How can I get in touch?
You can find me on telegram.
I have the same username there as on this forum.
Kind regards,
Joao
Started: devil666, 10 Apr 2024 11:14
Last post: Stix01, 15 Apr 2024 23:05
Is very hard to put a value on it.
I would be happy for it to return and not have to write off the investment, the rest is a bonus.
The price will vary depending on If we keep North America
The wars in Ukraine, Israel-Palestine/iran will all need steel en mass to rebuild.
the demand will probably push up the prices and see steel in a similar scenario of hiked returns just like the oil industry did not so long ago.
I’m only thinking out loud - The downside is by not paying off our debts/ bonds there will possibly be big financial penalties for defaulting.
Though on the companies website they do claim to have the capital to pay it.
I’ve seen various articles:
1) Russian Evraz Steel Box targets Uzbekistan for 2024 construction market expansion
2) various railway line projects been flouted
What price do you expect when it come back to trade again? Asume two more years from now if that true and company still making money so how to value share on open price?
Its a very very tall order and hard to envisage but it has to come at some time. We cant be sanctioned forever.
Https://stocks.apple.com/A1p9ZOdSgRKq8dYIcYkCYew
Just came across this also
Fingers crossed common sense prevails
The sanctions will be lifted on oligarchs . We are not that far away perhaps just two more years
Started: ANDREYAAA, 20 Mar 2024 17:42
Last post: bally796, 14 Apr 2024 17:06
Thats to Kong1
Whats your position on Iraq???? remember that sovereign country that WE illegally invaded and murdered up top 300 thousand people?
Well said devil
Don't give the tool fuel by responding to him.
So looking forward to the long night in downtown Kiev, all those lovely fireworks and the procession headed by President Putin. Fingers crossed the end is nigh. Sanity can prevail. You obviously are not a shareholder .
Started: themong, 13 Apr 2024 13:58
Last post: Furion, 14 Apr 2024 10:39
I honestly never thought UKR could win this confrontation.
The west literally used UKR as a pawn that’s all they are and it’s cost UKR lives and Atleast 5 decades plus setback
It’s cost the west population lots in terms fiscal contribution which the right people in government and friends of these officials will recoup in arms sales etc
It’s profitable for the select elite few
The sheep just follow
Russia and east BRICS etc have just accelerated their plans of dollar independence
Johnson not allowing peace treaty to go ahead will the pivotal time in history for me could have ended it all at that time if reports etc are to be believed
GLA
To world peace and to humanity first profit second how much money is enough
Having been watching this avidly for some time, its now clear to me that Ukraine CANNOT beat Russia. I read today about the state of Russian weapons reserves
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-built-military-pre-war-level-us-general-1889569
and I have also read several articles that Russia has ample supplies for at least another two years and its increasing its weapons manufacturing. Couple that with the WEST's lack of reserves, the USA's hesitation in sending further weapons $$$ aid it now gearing toward a fight with IRAN,
RUSSIA is also being fed by CHINA, IRAN and NORTH KOREA, and yes while the weapons are probably not as good as the WEST's, RUSSIA has them and UKRAINE hasn't and isn't receiving anything like the amount it needs. UKRAINE is crying out for troops as they've all been killed or incapacitated, they desperately need artillery shells and air defence kit to name but a few.
The writing is on the wall im afraid and its now time for peace talks URGENTLY.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/05/russia-makes-slow-but-steady-advance-in-ukraine_6667440_4.html
Nice rise today. Always makes me happy.
Started: devil666, 1 Apr 2024 10:19
Last post: devil666, 1 Apr 2024 10:19
I am quietly confident that there is a half baked scammer Rusky on this site who would be an ideal applicant. Lets hope theres no internet access where its going.?
Started: devil666, 24 Mar 2024 18:52
Last post: devil666, 24 Mar 2024 18:52
IM SO VERY VERY SORRY TO ANNOUNCE BUT MY SHARES ARE NOT FOR SALE AT £20 A SHARE. PARASITES FILTH AND SCUM PLEASE BE ADVISED ACCORDINGLY. RUSKY WAR DEFECTORS OBVIOUSLY INCLUDED.
Started: Roxi, 16 Mar 2024 08:04
Last post: Tonnacombe, 16 Mar 2024 15:02
Russia plans to spend $4 billion improving railroad connections with China, Bloomberg reported.
Started: Gejgaboy, 13 Mar 2024 15:50
Last post: Tonnacombe, 14 Mar 2024 20:22
I've signed, however, personally i think naked shorts by MM have caused far more damage to the markets, difficult to see how the markets recover, I've emailed a company I'm invested in asking them not to list in the uk, ironically sanctioning evraz was probably the straw that broke the camels back imho.
BTW, if your invested in lithium plays have a read, of what the future quite possibly holds.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/business/amp/faraday-1-reinvents-energy-storage-with-hybrid-engineering-9357264/
Ahh, typical whataboutism. Are you projecting equivalency in this?
I feel your pain. Im not as screwed as you ;but it still hurts badly.
Really not interested in the KIEV warmongering beggar and its border dispute. Neither am I at all concerned with the maxing out of its credit card. No difference between a white flag and a blue and yellow flag. For reiteration all I want is EVRAZ PLC FTSE 100 COMPANY to be void of sanctions and once again be a global company. Oh and how remiss of me : the payment of those lovely dividends.
£350K?! Damn, I have £50K locked in here... But I bought it for 82.68 - I knew the risk I was taking buying these shares, so I am more than comfortable losing that.
The way I seen it - £50K in here, it gets sanctioned funds are locked for 5 years then it automatically 5-10 bags once sanctions have been lifted.... Let's not forget countries will need rebuilt. Ukraine and now Palestine. Steel has to come from somewhere. GLA we need it given this chitshow of a government. Bunch of buffoons running the country
Started: themong, 9 Mar 2024 21:04
Last post: themong, 10 Mar 2024 11:36
One more
https://youtu.be/N_Ng3eI-BiU?si=3_BDnApbwSp2CLj6
Have to say im not a supporter of Russia, nor the USA, neither am i against. But i do feel that we are treated like the proverbial mushrooms and thats what im against...
So much sense spoken in such a short space of time. The only thing missing was the very accurate and genuine statement of weapons of mass destruction , Russia will invade America , Europe and China. All the drivel from slow joe , doris and co and now this unelected and unelectable uk regime.
Thanks for posting. A real insight.
Started: Evraz, 5 Mar 2024 07:02
Last post: Tonnacombe, 8 Mar 2024 19:44
Bit rich you telling people to man up Andreyaa when your on an Egyptian beach, having dodged the motherland call to arms, also know as the draught, stay short. Da Da Da Babushka
"man up and stop calling people names"
"you are a void of loser-ness"
I suggest CWWX and other sore losers you man up and stop calling people names on the internet and then hide behind your moms skirt. Grow up. Look at me - I never called Philip any offensive names despite him banning me for absolutely nothing. Because I am a man, and you are a void of loser-ness.
Antony MC - you have offered your 111K shares to everybody, but most people think you are on drugs or something and therefore unable to realize your own intentions, so I don't know how to proceed. I don't do any deals with people who seem to be unreasonable/untrustworthy. Even if Philip came to me to sell, I would do the deal with him, cause at least he is in his mind. Although he absolutely didn't understand the scheme I offered him for ESO insurance.
@Andrey
You’ve been on here talking crap for far too long. We all know the risks associated with our holdings. ESO or no ESO, sanctioned for many years etc etc BUT your accusations against Phil really show your true colours. He has never recommended anyone sell or buy and has never proclaimed we will all be saved. He pints a pretty honest picture with multiple scenarios playing out and that is the best anyone can do so I suggest you jog on with your BS and stop trying to scaremonger people into selling…….
F’in idiot.
Still not going to sell my shares. I will never write off these shares. The rusky andy is still filtered
Started: ANDREYAAA, 19 Feb 2024 14:21
Last post: Teegak, 4 Mar 2024 11:54
😂😂😂
ANDREYAAA, Were you able to watch Navalnay's funeral today live from your hotel in Egypt?
The Bull..it continues????
No the price I offer for Evraz shares is 1 usd/0,8 gbp as it was, I have bought a lot of people, now in Egypt on vacation, if more people want to sell - write me at chinaadr2021 at yandex.ru minimum 8000 shares, sanity and paper certificate
AndreyAAA your offer price seems to have gone down ?