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The expected merger with the Indian business will increase the value of Voda's operations there. It won't be reflected in this week's trading update but some of that £5 billion write down will be adjusted upwards in the future. Elephants don't jump, and Vodafone's shareprice certainly exemplifies that, but this news should put a stop to the downtrend.

Nims "Vod needs to hit £1.9434 before it shows signs of a strong recovery." Hogwash!

Gerry That's alright, you're not to know if I'm a veteran trader or a complete novice. And you haven't been able to discern it from the content of my posts. Assumptions are often erroneous.

Gerry "With shares you need a bigger capital outlay, unless fees eat up any winnings so minimum £1k" Thanks for the advice but it's wasted on someone who had made tens of millions of pounds worth of trades

By my reckoning Vodafone has fallen 10 days in a row. Is that some sort of record? The market makers are punishing Vodafone for BTs woes IMO. Trading results out next Tuesday.

Gerry Why does anyone play. ? Take the lottery. Everyone loses but people still play it The only winners besides the handful IG jackpot ones are the people who don't play it. Odds are better here even though it has all the grubby twisted fingerprints of humanity over it.

Hedgies Broker ratings count for next to nothing. Look at the ftse 100 star performer Morrisons. Not one broker buy. Almost all sells with PTs about 60p below the current SP. The market maker s**theads ultimately decide the share price of a company. A common fallacy is that there are more sells than buys when a share drops. NOT SO. Vodafone has been marked down 9 out of the last 9 days even though on many of those days there were more buys. That's what you're up against when you play these twisted markets.

You're right Char this share is painted into a corner by the market makers. They ignore every bit of positive news and hammer it on the most innocuous negative news. Before today the MMs have marked it down seven days on the trot. And on nearly all of those days there was more buys than sells. Good share to hold for the hefty dividend but one that has been singled out to trade 50 percent below its intrinsic value by the bozos who make the market. I'd like to see voda pay the dividend quarterly, that always bolsters the SP

Vodafones share price is determined primarily by a pack of market makers. Even when the buys outnumber the sells they are marking it down. What they're really doing is pricing a profit warning in, IMO a profit warning that won't come. This share should serve as a warning that the arbitrary sentiment of market makers trumps fundamentals. The broker ratings for Vodafone are almost all buys with an average PT of 250p Today's fall isdown to fallout from BT's profit warning and a hastily assembled broker downgrade which was enough to make the MMs soil their pants and mark it down for the eight day in a row. Market makers need to be eradicated and replaced with unbiased artificial intelligence because the present system doesn't work. I'm glad market makers don't run the justice system otherwise innocent people would be getting punished for someone else's crimes. Trading update on February 2nd but I'm not hopeful. However good it is the MMs will be focusing on imaginary profit warnings.

Poker The Italian scandal will only serve to highlight the other weaknesses in BT. Such as the huge pension deficit. Needless to say they'll get oversold; but I'd be very cautious of buying in even at 280p Next is a good example of what happens to a company's shares price when a profit warning is issued. It was £48 before the profits downgrade. It fell to £41 overnight and it has since drifted down to £38. Bear in mind this was a share trading at £80 only 9 months ago. On deeper reflexion I'd be tempted to buy in to BT at 260p. At that level every issue would be priced in. Thought for the day- Fools rush in.

Why hold shares at 350p if you think you can buy them at 314p??? Who holds shares at 350p????? Certainly not me. My target for BT is 280p By the time the Mms have wiped £10 billion off their value because of a £500 million loss. Thw loss will then be factored in 20 times That looks like a buying opportunity to me

Anyone thinking of buying BT should wait a day or two more until the dust settles. The SP will undoubtedly be tested and a new trading range (support & resistance) formed. My guess is that will be 280-310. My advice is never to buy a share on the first day it plummets for whatever reason. It can always be picked up cheaper in the days afterwards

That's markets for you. A small profit warning due to a one off fraud and billions wiped off the share price. The blame lies with market maker manipulation they choose the SP to a fraction of a penny to exploit investors ruthlessly.

Today is the seventh straight day the market makers have marked Vodafone down. There was a day last week when there were 35,000,000 more buys than sells and the MMs marked it down 4p on the back of a broker downgrade to hold and a PT of 240p. However The MMs don't mark the SP up when brokers upgrade it. If a share price doesn't rise when there are far more buys than sells it suggests markets are failing to value shares fairly. Vodafone is a perennial underperformed despite its stunning fundamentals and hefty dividend. For any one new to share trading they should see this as how share prices are determined not by fundamentals or reality but a mob who collide to determine share prices irrespective of anything that really counts. It would be far better if artificial intelligence determined shareprices instead of twisted humans who choose the number that suits their needs.

Morrisons share price is disconnected from fundamentals. A chart shows it is a star performer in the ftse index, outperforming a bullish footsie by a huge margin. How can that be for a share that is in a precarious sector with storm clouds brewing on the horizon. The answer is market maker manipulation. About 15 percent of its shares are out on short. The market makers have colluded to determine a price action that makes it impossible to make a profit on a short. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the numbers are, as long as the market makers are nailing an ever higher price tag on it, it will only continue its precipitous rise. The market makers are running a corner. How else could a share that doesn't have a single buy rating be one of the best performing shares in Europe.