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Oakie

“And its been that way since the financial crisis “

Absolutely. After the financial crisis is when the market makers started playing dirty with the UK stock market. Before that shares used to go up occasionally and to mark them down to historic lows as they do now, it would take the most savage of bear markets.

The proles were always going to pay for the financial crisis - not the coke snorting monkeys who caused it.
The new normal is 40 percent overdraft interest, 0.1 percent interest on savings, sky high credit card interest and shares priced down to oblivion. All with the blessing of the Tories. The end game for capitalism is when the tiny minority yield all the money and all the power and all the media influence to transform the masses into worker ants to generate their gluttonous wealth.

Toff

Is it possible to win investing in an index that has barely risen since 1999?
Is anyone on these boards who has been trading for a few years or more actually in profit?
I can list 50 or more companies of the ftse100 that have been smashed down to multi year lows
Lloyds for example, the market makers didn’t smash it down yesterday but are doing so today, even though buys outnumber sells.
One share after another marked down to derisory valuations to ensure retail investors lose.
There has not been a worse investment than ftse100 shares over the past two decades. It is a permabear market.
I would genuinely like to hear from a single person on these boards who is actually in profit trading uk shares because I believe just about everyone who is involved in uk markets has incurred hefty losses. And just which shares have they traded because from my experience however little you pay for them the market makers mark them down ever and ever lower.
The ftse 100 is an engine of wealth destruction. It redistributes wealth from the people to financial institutions.

Toff

Aus

“stop giving him ammunition to shoot you down”

Hahahahaha

As if anyone’s going to shoot me down with my ridiculous intellect and superiority complex.

Toff

Lamtree

Mathematical conundrum for you...

Would you rather buy a share that fell as low as 48p - at 57p and sell it at 61p.
Or not buy it at all?

Toff

Velo

“Total lack of self awareness.
And a total humour bypass.”

You’ve just totally summed yourself up.
I really do believe you were totally unaware of being a colossal bore.

Toff

My apologies Lamtree

Apple’s predictive texting

It should have been - like proles can read tabloids.

Obviously those geeks at Apple are unaware of proles who live in council houses.

Toff

Lamtree

“I can tell Velos pretty inteligent with his writing skills and mathematics,”

So we’ve moved on to maths now have we.
And how do you know my mathematical abilities aren’t as good as yours are bad - as with my English?

I understand the counterintuitive complexities of quantum science - topics such as the uncertainty principle - the double slit experiment and quantum entanglement. (But you name 3)
I can read papers by Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg and Schrodinger, like paroles can read tabloids.

But you seem to encounter difficulty with binary numbers. (Bid & Offer)

Such as a company’s shareprice. Why use the power of hindsight and pick a previous number. then use as a stick to beat people with.

I’ll elucidate on that...

BT has been as high as £5 relatively recently. So if people bought in at £2.50- £3, why criticize them for buying in at that price when relatively little has changed in the fundamentals.

Example: I bought Lloyds at 57p. In the past 12 months they’ve been as high as 73.5p so 57p was cheap from my perspective. The last thing I need is for some inexperienced fool lecturing me that I overpaid on the sole premise that the current price is lower.

Toff

Lamtree

“I like velos posts,“

That’s all the more reason not to like them.

Me and you are polar opposites.

Public school/comprehensive school
Literate/illiterate
Private housing/council estate
Educated/uneducated

I could go on all night...

Toff

Velo

That should have read. You take the cake for the most boring poster.

Toff

Velo

Is there really any need for constant post-mortems on BT’s share price action every single day. It bores me to extinction. You take for the most boring poster on any and every one of these boards. You could get therapy for that.

Toff

“The gollom2 troll has vanished,”

Vanished or turfed off- most likely turfed off.
Queen Gollom is most likely camping it up at Butlins now.

Bobett

“DB haven't released another target since the 140 have they??!”

No, but by my calculations it’s due any day now.
Brokers do team up and work in tangent against companies sometimes. When I was in the office, the manager would often get a coded call about a company, warning of stormy weather on the horizon.

Toff

Bobetts

´ I may dip my toe in here, still undecided. ‘

Indecisive that’s what you are. BT is cheap by any measure of the stick at 156, maybe some of the idiots who post negative on here are clouding your judgement. All the bad news they regurgitate has been priced in 5 times, so downside should be minimal from here.

I wouldn’t want you to miss out - that’s what usually happens to bottom feeders trying to catch the absolute bottom.

They rarely ever do.

Toff

Taverham

“How can you compare those companies to American ones”

Who’s comparing uk shares to American tech shares?
Not me.

I’m comparing uk shareprices with their value 20 years ago.

I fully understand the rise of American techs have boosted the Dow.

That’s partly why it’s tripled since 1999 while the ftse 100 has risen about 6 percent. If there’s a worse investment than the ftse 100 over the past 20 years let me know about it because I don’t know one. And that includes keeping money under the mattress

Toff

Bluepeter

There’s an unspoken consensus that share trading is gambling and anyone who loses only have themselves to blame. That mindset explains the total lack of protection retail investors get.

An erroneous view in my opinion. At least gambling is predicated on chance - and if that chance is fixed there’s punishment and justice.

Not so with the UK stock market. If gambling institutions fixed it so everyone lost they’d end up in jail and have their licenses revoked.

There’s too much laisser-faire in share dealing. The MMs provide liquidity so have enormous power -but does that make it right to cheat? The price is wealth destruction for the masses.

This issue is specific to the UK market; other markets value shares based on realities such as fundamentals, not aset of numbers to be shifted and set to ensure traders almost always lose.

Toff

D955

I am with you. Everything I've bought in last few years has ended in disaster, big losses all around. Its not just BT thats affected - MKS, RMG, SLA, CNA, RBS..

Absolutely. I could easily add another 50 ftse 100 companies to that list. This is a permabear index that doesn’t trade on fundamentals or reality.

If BT were a £1 for example. Deutsche Bank would still be issuing price targets of 70p. And unenlightened retail investors would be blaming the derisory shareprice on the management.

Uk shares, for the most part trade on an alternative reality imposed on us by rabid market makers to line their own pockets

Far worse that interest rate fixes and LIBOR scandals when you have a market that values most of its companies at historical bear market lows.

What I want to know is - how much longer can they get away with it before a massive scandal breaks.

Toff

What did I tell you.

Lloyds are reporting tomorrow and the market makers are getting ready to smash it down to 52p.

Even if they beat expectations. They’ve already decided on an exact number regardless of all else.

Toff

H-hi

“Easy money for big banks to trade against retail traders with little funds and short timeframe.”

Absolutely correct. Many of the ftse 100 companies are trading on the most savage bear market valuations imaginable.

Far from creating wealth, uk markets are engines of wealth destruction. The index may be up today, but it’s always the same few shares that rise, while most drift ever lower.

You’re right of course, the market makers and their banks and brokerages conspire to strip retail investors of their money. Not valuations, just a set of numbers chosen to benefit them.

I don’t know a single global market where a company can beat market expectations, only to FALL on the news - as Barclays did this week. I find that truly shocking. You wouldn’t even see that truck in a banana republic’s stock market.

If BT was a US company trading on the same fundamentals it would be £5-6 on current markets.

You’d think the FCA would step in and clean the scum out. It never used to function like this - it’s become virtually impossible to make money on uk stocks because however low you buy in the bent MMs know they can mark them down ever lower without sanction.

Toff

Lamtree

“So over the last 5 years BT has collapsed because of MMs?”

Not only BT. About 70 percent of the ftse 100 has.

Make that over the past 20 years. Strip the miners out and you’re left with the worst 20 year investment in stock market history.

And the lowest valuations of any market.

Everyone loses. But to ensure that stocks have to be continually marked down - regardless of reality. Yet another massive disadvantages of living in the UK

Toff

D955

“BT shares 5.5 million sold, 17.8 million bought - more than 3x difference - yet share price nudges only 2.08p UP!!!!”

BT often falls when there are twice as many buys as sells.
I expect you’re wondering what happens to the differential between buys and sells. The answer is, the market makers use their brokerage arms to mop up excess shares. If they priced shares fairly they wouldn’t have to do this, but this is exactly how they manipulate shareprices.

Rat-holing shares is the most blatant method of insider trading in existence. It should be illegal for a MM who is trading a company’s shares to rat-hole them in their brokerage arm.

But you’d expect that from rats.

Toff