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Just because someone has the cash to buy 22m shares doesn't mean they have the Bot, the guaranteed backup Internet connection with trader and tech support on stand-by, so the purchasing is done by the professionals dropping the price by selling constantly, while they are hoovering up the shares. This pair of matched transfer records that aren't used for pricing is proof as that deal is completed. Since the Bot was not running using the account of the eventual buyer.

Will they be back tomorrow? Or next week? One thing we do know if that the new owner of 22 million shares doesn't want the price to stay down here unless they plan to but more again soon.

Wonder who does their DMS?

https://news.gm.com/newsroom.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2022/aug/0803-supercruise.html
Original source!

To date, GM customers have driven more than 34 million miles with Super Cruise To date, GM customers have driven more than 34 million miles with Super Cruise engaged

Thanks Numpti,

I have known about this principle for 30 years and it has been on my watch list as active technology for the last year or so.

But "working with BMW" can mean 10 years from production.

It will take some time and a lot of money to make this a reliable alternative to the full features we use today.

One key clue was resolution 128 x 128 is a huge drop from the mega pixel cameras we use now.

JC, as you will know Intel own Mobileye, who are not direct competitors. It was interesting that this patent didn't have any obviously Mobileye staff (they are based in Israel), so this real Intel.

As for the content, this is allowing users to add themselves to the DMS model, so that it can better detect their face and state without sharing your face with those nasty DMS providers.

The reason given was certain illnesses can make drivers have "sore looking eyes" so the DMS system complained that they were looking tired. It is no doubt a very technically valid security system to build custom models and to store these securely in the vehicle and the cloud and tie them only to the identity of the driver etc , ....

But, In the images of a DMS was a face that I recognised from Cipia, the image even said Eyesight (which was their previous name) so the inability of Cipia to realise that a driver with Sjogren Syndrome was tired because their model saw sore eyes as tiredness leads to a vastly overcomplicated technical solution that requires so much trust in the OEM to support it in 15-20 years as well as the vehicle and the necessary mobile apps - that was your cue to spot that Silicon Valley doesn't do long term support especially not on mobile!

The alternative to phoning home to Intel to fix Cipia's issue would be to try a better DMS provider that doesn't use blinking as a signal for tiredness.

I have posted in the past about Mobileye's more recent hardware being suitable for hosting Seeing Machines. I wonder if that made this patent as pointless as its fragile suggestion?

If Mr Robot tries to sell all his new shares (without buying them back) we will have a brown liquidity problem

Not suspicious at all, entirely random and coincidence that they occur in groups at similar times as though they are part of a random plan to push the price down.

Not at all related to the groups of purchases that are happening now that bought 300k at the new knock down price, move along now, nothing to see. Important people are making money. If you suspect something, you are just imagining it.

- if you have funds, take advantage of it
- if you don't have funds, it won't last forever as it is costing someone money
- if it is costing someone money, then at the end of their purchases, they will want to boost the price to where it should be or beyond
- they are in for the long haul, as they know they can't sell out at the peak without crashing the price (unless it is Elon and his army of minions buy in at the top)

Apologies for the delay, I was away so didn't see the bat signal on the Canberra horizon. I haven't had time to digest the whole patent - it isn't much fun reading it on a mobile, so just a few points for now.

When I was growing up, we thought by the new millenium, we would all be wearing shiny suits and be driven around in flying cars by our robots. But reality got in the way and now we need to babysit our robots which are only really capable of steering and and controlling the speed - assume they can work out where the road lines are and they correctly guess the behaviour of EVERYTHING on the road. Of course babysitting is boring, you have to stay awake, and you can't even have a drink or watch a film in the car - unless you cheat., since we are still the responsible adult in the room and we can either die or face legal repercussions for not supervising the driving properly, or doing it ourselves the old fashioned way we need help behaving

So how to Seeing Machines make sure the humans have skin in the game - well they look for our skin! You see, it is possible to fool a camera by showing it a picture, so how do we avoid needing 2 cameras (and 3-d processing) well we can modify the lighting. I will pick one "simple" option. Imagine a flat light source that magically contains vertical stripes like pinstripes. If you project this light onto a sheet of paper, you will still get straight lines. View the paper from an angle and it still has straight lines. Now imagine a face, the lines will work like contours as long as they are viewed at an angle from the illumination. Change the light source so that the lines are horizontal (assuming the camera is to the side) and the effect almost vanishes in line with the camera, but will still be visible as you move up or down.

OK, next step, use a grid of light spots. On a flat sheet of paper, the image of the spots might be 100 pixels apart. Now put a football in the light instead of a head. Viewed slightly to one side, we see the central square is probably still around 100 pixels, but as you move away, either the width or thickness of the squares becomes larger and the shapes are no longer square.

Now you can draw a graph these distances. On the flat sheet of paper, everything is around 100 pixels, so there is a huge spike. Change to a ball and the range of measurements varies greatly - but smoothly, and moving the ball or rotating it doesn't change the pattern much. OK now use a face and the complex "topology" gives a far wider spread of values. Flat foreheads, chins and brows may be mostly flat, but as the head turns, these will distort the squares and result in longer or shorter distances.

That is called a Fast Fourier Transform and is relatively easy to develop and process, but it can tell a flat picture from a curved picture, a ball or a head quite easily, if you can feed it a "spatial pattern".

I didn't get to "skin" or speckles yet, but I am out of characters, so that is a story fo

You could apply some poster's opinions to Tobii's approach to DMS. A successful company branching into an area that looks like a simple extension to grab a large market share.

Let's compare:
Aviation and Automotive are slow to move, highly regulated industries but there are openings if you have the correct use case and the partners to open the door.

Tobii hopes a few flyers and a booth at InCabin will see them swept off their feet, but where are the existing partners? Tier1s are already signed up and they don't have a path to market.

Now look at SEE in aviation, they have already done the hard miles, the tests and the validation. In the air and in simulators, not just as demoes, but as comperative products with costed benefits. The seeds are planted and when the aviation market improves they will grow and spread wide. Collins, Boeing, L3Harris, Airbus don't need to do trials with the likely lads, they already have a "Vetted" supplier who they know, trust and already work with

Better than that, it is standard install, it costs to activate

https://media.chevrolet.com/content/dam/Media/images/US/Vehicles/Chevrolet/Other/2022/blazerev/Blazer%20EV_SS%20inforgraphics.jpg?=sd

Apologies for the slap dash research, SUPERCRUISE IS STANDARD INSTALL, pay to activate!

Another mainstream motor from GM with Supercruise available as an option, in dealers next summer. Our revenue is going to seriously ramp up.

https://www.motor1.com/news/598866/chevrolet-blazer-ev-debut-details/

Good spot UDWG. I didn't see it at 33. But 0:48\1:20 there is a live pilot in a simulator. To the right of the screen you can see the two supports for the Head Up Display glass beneath that are 3 blocks. The one nearest the camera is the clearest. No sign of LED or camera as they are shielded from this angle but that is where they would be.

Please can we have a 7am RNS!

Hi S4SEE,

You're new here, so it won't let you post links yet.

Have you been following Seeing Machines for long?

Here is the link to the interview from May 2021.
https://www.just-auto.com/interview/beyond-driver-monitoring-qa-with-cipia/

Cipia have many partnerships as do we. Omni and Ambarella certainly work with many DMS.

Cipia made a fuss about first demonstration of DMS on Mobileye's SoC a while back. (both being Israeli no doubt helped) Colin Barnden was quite dismissive at the time as the available Arm core was not suitable for predictable and guaranteed code run time so different data would take different runtime and frames would be lost, or you would have to process less to have confidence in keeping up with the frame rate.

Recently, Numpti reposted comments based on Mobileye's recent releases. Perhaps Mobileye have listened to their customers and suppliers concerns for DMS?

Welcome to the board.

Numpti, I couldn't have said it better myself ;-)

Good find JC, thought the drought had to end soon.

So we know about the Magna mirror with DMS on board, this extends it to Video conferencing, after discussing the risk of death if it is misused.
it covers many options, single and multiple cameras, screen in the mirror or in the car, mobile device as the host connected with BlueTooth.

It mentions being used in Level 3 vehicles when the driver is not in charge of the driving task and also regular vehicles with either a speed restriction or ADAS deciding when it is safe to show video in the vehicle (let's hope it turns off the camera feed when collision is imminent!)

The DMS will report if the driver is being represented by a "fake head"!
It will also record nodding, holding a phone, eyes off the road etc

So Magna can extend their mirror range and add features for high value vehicles so a Rolls Royce doesn't need to come with the same mirror as the bottom of the range EU car with Magna Mirror

The Corvette isn't the sort of car that you would put Supercruise on - wrong target audience. Annual sales are 25k so that is about $4 per car over the lifetime of contract.

So that was won by SEYE because SEE wouldnt bid for a low volume version separate from Supercruise but probably with additional features.

Does that mean that all Chevvies go to Sweden?

Well Silverado, Bolt are already here and Tahoe, Suburbanvand Equinox are getting Supercruise...

This batch of patents is the thin end of the wedge, before long autonomous Taxis will be the unsuspected murderers who kill then clean up after themselves leaving no evidence.

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My tuppence on the excellent debate earlier is that we have taken on a lot of staff and have lined up offshore engineering firms to support SEE through the massive bump of work that the declared (and won, but not signed) will require.

This work is to customise, add new features (and verification and validation) that the OEMs request. This Non-Recurring Engineering work is paid for by the Tier1s /OEMs on completion of the various milestones.
This work is profitable (but nothing like the ongoing profit though) but lumpy. Well with all of the new starts in 2023/2024/2025 we are hitting these now and they will keep coming in the next few years.

Since we don't have the RNS yet, perhaps we need to explain that for once a Tier 1 has announced that they have won a massive chunk of work for BMW. Valeo will provide most of ADAS including the centralised processing (from Qualcomm) and the sensors - external cameras, radar and internal sensors to monitor the occupants. Well, we know Valeo we're working with Qualcomm as they appeared in slides along side Seeing Machines over a year ago (although, I think that we were named first)

We also know that Valeo work with Renault and we presume they were in the recent win with Qualcomm.

So where is our RNS?

Well, just because the T1 has been announced and contract signed doesnt mean that all the component suppliers can RNS yet. Every camera maker and PCB manufacturer that have won may not have been told yet, never mind signed the contract. So patience is required. But at least we are higher up the queue than the company that supplies the glue or tiny screws