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Not sure that's true Modestus. TLW getting the same treatment today (as many non-oil stocks). I don't think it's related to Goldman's note. Could it be related to expectations of a shock to the wider markets? US500 showing weakness. At least some of the big 7 are due to report in the coming days. Maybe it's the heebie geebies over whether or not they'll hit or miss their realistic broker targets. Most of the market is exceeding it's unrealistically low broker targets but the big 7 are propping up the US markets and their targets are apparently more real.

I had a view that there was a good risk the price would fall back to 13 or below (probably 12.6 or below) although I didn't mention that publicly. It's done that, POO remains very roughly stable despite it being volatile and I'm looking for my next entry. My overall view is that we've seen the bottom here at 12.3. I'm looking to add a good few. If HBR dropped back to the 230's I'd probably favour that though.

We've now exceeded 31 to the downside and for me it's time to look for evidence of a turn to the upside and start to add. GLA however you decide to play it.

I wish I understood more about this (but don't put the effort in to do so!). If a small order is placed, why would that cost me more to buy/sell. Let's say the CTA/Hedge fund, what/who ever places 100 shares on the market off the price and I come to buy 10,000, I just get 10,000 shares which would sweep up the 100, but they wouldn't cost me extra on the fees side? Am I misunderstanding something SA (I often do).

SP is likely to go to 31 or below (perhaps 30 will act as support). I will view that as a time to watch closely for a buying opportunity. In my view the movement in price is purely technical and only very loosely linked to POO or the company itself. The price can be moved by influential 'investors/traders/market makers' according to the emotional status of PI's particularly. That emotional status is linked rightly sometimes and incorrectly at others to factors such as POO, inflation, shipping via the red sea etc. Sometimes the day to day price movements are not based on real things, but on the perception of the perception of the PI's. I'm looking to buy more. I closed out my leveraged positions at a good profit around 35 but held my shares (much larger positions bought at 30.7. (bluemoon, that's in-line with JMax's comments that he trades some and keeps some and I personally often do the same). It was my expectation that we would see 31 or lower so I sold the leveraged positions on the spike. I can't see into the future so I held the shares in the hope of seeing 38/39 or higher. Now, entirely in line with my expectatiosn the SP has a high likelihood of hitting and perhaps exceeding 31 to the downside). I'm looking to add at some point after that happens.

Don't lose sight of the fact that for the proposal to be passed, 75% must vote leave the LSE. That's a reasonably high hurdle. It's not a done deal that TUI delists in London. All to play for on Feb 13th. Could see quiet trading up to that point then increased volume one way or another.

A whiff of bad news could have this back to 235 now so let's hope there isn't any!

I did consider that fleccy, but I'm still wondering whether we'll see a downside move on payment. It's a sensible point. The immediate reaction is, as you say on ex-divi date. I'm waiting to find out.

We're at 111.5. The questionn is all about limbo now, how can she go!!

Well my post below is becoming interesting now. We've had a drop from 70 to 67 and the divi payment date is the 2nd. If this holds low and the price comes off after divi payment then I could get a entry that is less 'hollow' than I suggested in my previous post. Starting to look as though foresight and patience might yet pay off.

30th Jan at a price of 70.2: Robleo, the divi might be what gets me my entry around 65 or lower. That might be 'hollow' win if the SP doesn't fall further thant he 4.5p.

I see it, funny they came through close together. Most of the trades that I can see are very small. Even the uncrossing trade was less than 500,000

I just added a few more around 13.55.

I'm considering similar chats boyobach. I did open a long on around 562, but closed it at around b/e today. The SP moves very well (great beta), but you need to be on the right side of the move to make it work and I got the heebie geebies that it might be more likely to move to the downside than up. I'm back to watching.

But that's part of the business poker, you have to make enough profit to exceed the 5% (roughly) on savings you could get for doing absolutely nothing. If you don't achieve that, then you're not really making a profit at all. And even if you do achieve that, inflation could be higher. I get all of that. But, my point is that it really does matter what the SP does as this is where you have the opportunity to make a profit, b/e, make a loss or sit on a share that is dropping and not crystalise the loss and kid yourself into believing it's not a loss until it's crystalised. It is a loss, a virtual colleague once used the expression 'don't sit on sh it', which I liked. It's a loss because you have less money, because you could have been increasing your principal in a different market, because the money is not available for your day to day activities, because your down and inflation is making you 'downer'. That loss could theoretically get larger if the SP drops further (if BT does suffer a large fine then that is much more likely) if we're not in a 'soft-landing' as many believe we have achieved (I don't for the record), then we're likely riding the last big wave to the beach before the tide goes out and that will also likley reduce the BT SP.

Fleccy, it's not irrelevant, the better your entry price the better your profit should the SP increase. When you say it's irrelevant, that's nonsense, what you're actually saying is that you've invested and can't do anything about it or don't know how to enter at better levels or trade around it to improve your average entry or something releated. It really is important.

It's fine having a strong belief that the company will turn itself around and generate profits for shareholders in the future, but what you're actually saying makes everything else you say seem a doubtful. You're here for one reason only, to make a profit.

Robleo, the divi might be what gets me my entry around 65 or lower. That might be 'hollow' win if the SP doesn't fall further thant he 4.5p.

Fleccy, that's a very flip comment that you don't care about the impact a big fine would have on the SP .

You should care, you really should. You're invested in this company to make a profit.

Yep that could be it, it was the day trades I was trying to access and I do use adblockers.

Yeah, I don't look so much at the raw trade data and some of that will get lost in translation to the chart, but for me we have not yet confirmed 17.5. Are you saying that we've printed 17.5 today? For some reason the data (following fron your link) isn't loading for me at the moment.

Looks to me as though we're going to have another go at 111.5 and probably 110. I'm still waiting for a chance to enter long.