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Faults man hope this may assist your understanding of the Openreach element of your posts. When Openreach was first separated from the rest of BT, there were undertakings given that all service providers would be treated the same. Easy thing to say a bit more difficult to do it turned out. Demarcation line were drawn up as to what Openreach could work on from an engirding point of view,and what was the responsibility of other parts of BT, if either side got it wrong that was deemed a non compliance and looked into. There ended up lots of areas where it was grey and people were TOLD to get it sorted just do it... Other proiverds did not always get the service they had agreed to, every body knew what was going on but nobody admitted to it. Openreaches legal separation was only going to be a matter of time. What has now happened is the only way BT could keep its best asset, the network. The reason you are unable to talk to Openreach is because as a customer you have a contract with your service provider, they in turn have a contract with Openreach. As things are at present you will always be a third party, unless you wish to become a service provider in your own right. This is what governments and Ofcom wanted so that is what you have got, very frustrating unless you have a back door. As to others building a network nationaly that would take a vast amount of money and many years to do. You would not believe the hoops local government want you to jump through to dig a hole in the road, let alone put miles of ductwork in the ground, along with the equipment you need just to work at the side of the road let alone in it. If somebody got the government to give them cart blanch to dig when and where they wanted at any time then ti may be something some would consider doing, ain't going to happen soon though... still the price is in the right direction today...

My shares are with Halifax funds entered my bank account on Wed (natwest).

I think the security issue would be around the fact that BT supplies, maintains and manages the secure networks for the government and military, not to mention the same for the financial sector. Would it be correct for a company based outside the UK to have access to information regarding these networks. Although the information sent over them would be secure the geographical and physical location of them could be sensitive. "Don't tell them Pike".

Hi. Mine are with a Halifax account, this can be set to reinvest or pay away. Reinvest happens on the day div is payed in, but I don't think I can infulance the price, they just buy as many as they can. Div is usually paid in on the correct day, pay away is not seen in my bank account until 3-4 days later.

Agree Dogs, good for the re investors, and suspect there may be many at the current price. Happens every year and hopefully will do the same this year.

Fleecy. Correct VOIP for businesses has been around for many years, hence the decline in isdn30 several years ago. Point I was making to Faultsman, is until you replace the existing pstn network, that many people continue to use, with a fibre delivered, cheap replacement, you will still need the copper network, but it will deminish over the coming years. Rember BTs VOIP exchange experiment in the Cardif area around 10-12 years ago ? Yup egg on face. NGA , 21cn. Done insulation and commissioning on both since they started.
Unless BT delivered an ultimatum to the UK public saying your phone line will stop working on date X so you need to be converted to. VOIP That's not going to happen in the short term. So it would be a conversion process at no cost to the customer. It's going to happen but I think it will take longer than many think it will, perhaps 22cn network eh.
Faultsman. A lot of that work involves finding solutions to incorporate a product into BTs network as it is at present and in the past. Going forward with a fibre only network there will be less need for as many BT people to work with the suppliers to find solutions as a lot of the kit you and me would use would be plug n play. But those people could well be used in different rolls of value to BT without sending them to splice fibre. It's only an opinion, but one based on the fact that the number of different products used in the network will reduce therefore reducing the problems getting them to work together.

If you say there are 3000 in R&D then so be it, question I would ask is. Where do you get that number from, it may be correct but suspect it is not. BT R&D may employ that number, but I bet there are few in long coats in labs. Clue is, development, I'e prosesses H&S, product training, etc. Long gone are the days of the Post Office working with Plesse, GEC etc, there are hundreds of companies that deal in Telco products, there's no need for BT to play as well. Having another 3000 won't help when you are waiting on local government to grant permission to put up traffic lights. Fair enough it would be nice to have the extra manpower, but I doubt it would make things much quicker in the real world. Let's pray for no rain...

Faultsman Just stop and think about it for a moment. By the time 100% of the U.K. will have access to a full fibre network, it will be at least 10 years down the line, probably nearer 12-15. Until a working VOIP system is proven and rolled out in large urban areas, the copper network will still be needed. Then it will be the turn of rural areas, like yours, to convert, that will be the long bit and where there will be most of the cost. The BT r&d will probably go in a few years, there is to much off the shelt tech, that is costing someone else to develop, that telcos will buy, afraid the good old days of in house r&d are over, it will cost to much with no garenteed return. The other issue for BT is how to get the old copper junction cables out of the ducts without causing damage to plant they wish to retain. In some areas they will probably have to leave it in the ground and provide additional duct for new fibre to go in. That will mostly be on a , when it happens, basis, can't get the copper out,so new duct, all adding time to the whole rollout. So if you want to assist in moving things forward, when it rains put a tarpaulin over the joint box at the end of your lane... Then instead of fixing a wet joint to return your service they can fibre up your local city... te-he .

Not so sure that BT will win or VOD it will come down to bandwidth allocation and the government wanting to see competition. BT do have the core network advantage, but VOD not only have the old C&W nodes but a good Backhaul presence in the old GSC ( BT switching centres) exchanges so would be in a position to cut some of there insulation costs for new sites. Moat existing sites would probley only need a hardware upgrade, so not a lot of new fibre provision would be needed any that it may be would go to there hubs eigther C&W or located in BT sites. Having said that good revenue source for BT innetwork rental, so that would help compensate for any loss in bandwidth allocation. End of the day I think a win win for BT. Hopefully!!!

Hope this is a " POINTER" to the future........

And the payment plan is looking good as well. 2.85b this year 1.25b next ,then 400-700m for the next 3 years.

Aus Apart from the finger trouble, airing on the side of caution at 40k, some managers earn less than there staff in the first few years. All that aside 500m to say 700m in 2-3 years time, don't forget when they leave there will problely up to 9 months pay leaving package so the savings will only show after a couple of years, about the same time period as the Div is to be maintained for, so they may keep it around that level if the SP is high enough then. Time will tell.. sorry for the accounting error, off to book a holiday in Italy...

Oppppppppps Sorry sticky fingers 13k so 520m wage saving Thinking about that 2.40 or is that 240 or 0.24

Don't forget guy's there are 15000 jobs to go. so say average wage of 40k a head theres 600k that can help with the pension or support the Div for a couple of years as promised. Also other savings once they have gone, expenses, training, vehicles office equipment, etc could see the figure nearer 1m over a couple of years. Not a lot but moved in the right direction could be of great assistance. Nearly 2.40 as someone is hoping for.

With regard to seeing lots of different people in an area, quite normal. People working different patterns, 3 day week, 4 DW, 5DW, 9 day fortnight, 14 day 3 week. Also the job distribution system sends anybody anywhere and peoples skill package. Lightning is bad news for a metallic network, it loves it... Guessing FM you are in a rural area with much of the network overhead on poles. That is a multi core cable that may run for several miles serving not so many locations. So if it gets hit, especially if its more than once, the whole lot may need replacing, not just sections. Sometimes you can see the damage if you look, it is like a bulge in the cable, sometimes it can't be seen. But erecting aerial cable is a skilled job and many of the field staff do not have that skill, especially newer ones, a reason why sometimes people work outside there normal areas. Also for safety reasons, there may be on the face of it a lot of people on one job, but they all have there role to play. Hope this assists in peoples understand of what happens when nature has a go at us.

Faultsman.. There are elements of truth in your post, but its not as cut and dry as you think. Yes in time the copper network will go, probably nearer 2033 than 2025, it will take a long time to replace the copper local loop with fibre as you need to use the copper up to the point you convert the customer to a fibre link. Existing duct space is limited and may need additional duct to perform the conversion, you need the full network in a location before you can change it over.
Pension is not closed as such just changed to meet its members need, for the long standing staff. The schemes for newer staff are at little cost to BT, and remember BT took payment holidays not the staff in the past which has caused some to its issues.
BT would certainly keep the network especially once all fibre, why would you get rid, its a cash cow, and we all need it all the time. As for your "pirates" firstly they would need to know what to cut, major routes are very well procreated aint going to happen.
As for employés only chat why ? They are the people who can inform those of us that do not know how something is done or wish to understand how the company works, that they are, or are considering, investing in.
Yes the rain thing happens, but not to the extent you imply, and only small numbers of staff involved, remember BT has to for fill OFCOM repair targets. The work is much more robust than it was 5-10 years ago.Many of the staff that do this also do disaster recovery work around the world when nature hits back at us, restoring networks so that emergency workers can do there bit saving lives. Most volunteer to do this at home and abroad, with little or no real financial gain.
Also WHEN did we last have rain, don't think I can remember that far back... As you say enjoy the weekend.

Hi posted this last night, must have dropped down the list...
Just seen on the news that Ms White now wants to protect the BBC and ITV from going under in the future due to competition from online services. The exact opposite of there feelings in respect of BT. But then again perhaps they see BT as an online service so it needs to be constrained!!! So a warning to the BOD don't think about making programs or soaps !!!

Just seen on the news that Ms White now wants to protect the BBC and ITV from going under in the future due to competition from online services. The exact opposite of there feelings in respect of BT. But then again perhaps they see BT as an online service so it needs to be constrained!!! So a warning to the BOD don't think about making programs or soaps !!!

Some BT pensions are and have always used CPI those in section A and B of the BTPS only section C members use RPI. Section A and B are the older pensioners employed up to 1986 (April) 1986 onwards members are section C. Therefor the majority, but not all, pensioners in recipe of there payments are getting a rise of CPI. There are some section C members in receipt but noware as many as A and B so at the moment it is not a big impact on the fund, but could be in the future as C members start to draw there pension. But with interest rates starting to rise the cost of those using RPI may be almost eradicated. The deficit problem has always been down to BT taking payment holidays in the past, staff have allways paid there dues.....

Good to see that things have started to turn, as they were bound to. Now there is a steady rise all the doom sayers have vanished and have nothing to say. Example... early June, Lamtree "It has failed Tim,I feel quite sad that people are still pouring in their money on a share that has no where to go,I personally would not even buy BT at �1 a share.
A share treading water is no good to anyone,people avoid it like the plauge as proven." Well appears to have been proven wrong. All companies have there ups and downs, but a basically sound one will always return. Once the new CEO is in place it should be, steady as she goes...