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Stg well said, had assumed your handle was CSS I'd. Good hunting.

Avro. Pot calling kettle.
You don't like people being abusive towards you, but are happy to keep being abusive towards BT employees. Perhaps you should get your own house in order first....

Faults. Retired took a package after 33 years. Started with a year full time college course then 3 years Redifussion TV radio video repair with day release ending up with full tech G&G TV electronics and telecoms. Then BT using my qualifications to gain promotion to Technical Officer now C3 . Too many in house and external product qualifications to remember that assisted me in working in many varied locations including Goverment, nhs, mod, and other projects also on call 24/7 for nearly 25 years. 99% of those I worked with were hard working dedicated people be they doing similar work to me or the guys many of us see in the street working in all weathers and conditions. For someone to come along with zero knowledge of the business and slam the whole workforce, probely because he thinks of them as below himself enrages me. Every company has a few who swing the lead but they allways end up getting found out, maybe perhaps he is one of them himself, now that begs a question... People can always improve given the opportunity and encouragement, which BT dose to those who wish to have a go. The remaining 1% just sit on there bottom ranting negativity. Enjoy the BH not that us retired get the benifits of one, just another day ha ha...

Avro. Have just seen your last 3 posts. How dare you insult people who do or have worked for BT. You have no knowledge of telecoms and what skills employees have. I personally hold high qualifications in telecoms and electronics, worked hard for them then used them to progress my career in BT. Most of the staff also hold good or very good qualifications and have vast experience and skills in many areas. They work hard and diligently as do many others in other utility sectors. I would bet your concept of a typical BT employe is some bloke sitting in a hole in the ground drinking tea and having a fag. You really have a big chip on your shoulder when it comes to BT, you are unable to engage in conversation that is backed up by fact in relation to the company because you really know nothing about it and probely to lazy and caught up in your own self importance to come up with facts to back up your position. I have said before on this board that I do not use profanity in my posts but in your last few cases, why don't you **************** .

Fleccy. Yup forgotten more than I think my brain can remember. Including, temperature equalisation !!!

Aus I completely agree with the number of connections they have, why would they not on there own local network as they offer BB TV phone at a competitive price. Thing is its geographical, only where they have a local network, no connections outside of that, perhaps as they could not be as competitive as others delivering only BB and phone over Openreach's network. Yes they are expanding there network but only extending there existing network as new builds come along in there areas. Even there website is pretty poor at the moment, it is unable to accept my postcode, just hangs there with a big question mark, so much for a 1gig link if the website won't work.. lol
The point I make is it is a horrendous task building a new telecoms network, just look at the examples of Crossrail and HS2 phase one. Thats just laying some bits of steel on some patio slabs on private land LOL
Enjoy the weather, while it lasts...

All the talk about new networks being built by, a-n-other, is mostly that ,talk. Firstly they would almost certainly need to open it up to competition, if only to gain extra income streams to help offset there build costs. Thats the next thing, the cost, if the intention is to overlay the existing BT (and Openreach ,just call it BT for now) the cost would be way to high to see any decent return for many years. If it was just to hit the hot spots, then maybe on the cost front. If anyone was thinking about it then they would have done it 10-15 years ago when services such as BB and Digital TV were seen as a money making cow, but no they took the easy rout, and sat on the back of BTs network, as it was more profitable. Then theres the neat issue, building that network, getting permission from the local, or county council, to install the ductwork, is a nightmare. A local B road to me had a collapsed BT duct that a new Fibre service needed to be provided along. Permission to lay a new duct for about a mile took 6 months to get, meant closing a section of the road for just over a mile, for 5 days as it was deemed that a rolling roadworks taking 5-6 weeks would be to long as the road is a school bus route, so was done at half term. Can you imagin the problems at a national level, it would take forever...
The question also has to be asked, why would Virgin not be forced, in the future, to open there last mile network up, they did not pay for it to be installed the original cable TV company did Virgin just bought it. We all paid, or our parents did for BTs network before privatisation much of which still exists in the last mile.
So, who is going to tackle all that and its cost, to then have to give access away...

My pleasure.

I will have one last go. Its about long term investment at a discounted price at the start of each scheme, with a tax incentive at the end,and if the share value is considered to be to low at maturity, then have the cash back and wait for a day like today and bye back in. Option price for 2010 was 5 year £1.04 when it matured the price was around £5 so at £250 a month £15k spent giving 14855 shares then valued at around £70k at todays value they are worth £25k so still £10k up on what was paid in and div for the last4 years say around £7500 so put in 15k still have 25k plus another 7.5k = 32.5k still over twice what was paid in.
Or better still 2009 5 year at 61p thats 22131 ( you could only do £225 a month) shares today worth £37600 still up £24k add them together £62k plus div say around £16k . So for 6 years investment you could have today £78k in your pocket, plus any cash you decided to have back if you felt the maturity value was to low some years...

Enlightenment. As I stated some employees use this as an add on to there pension, therefor a long duration not a quick buck. Yes 5 years ago around £4, but 2009 80p 2002 £2. remember this is a year on year facility if you plan it right, say the max you can put in each month is £300 (typical amount) spread that over several starting years so you end up with one maturing every year. That way the fluctuation in the price over time has little impact, the longer you do it the better. The price is taken from a given date for each scheme then discounted by 10% 3 year 20% 5 year so if the price is £1 then your option price at the end is, 3 year 90p, 5 year 80p . If on maturity the price was say 50p then you can have the shares at the option price or your money back, you used to get a small amount of interest on the money if you did that, not sure if you do now. Then in the mean time you have a dividend each year on the shares that are no longer in the scheme but in your name, to do with as you wish.
Is the light on now ?

Yes you are correct Aus, poorly worded by me, there is no income tax to pay at the end is what I meant to imply, as the tax saving. i.e. the difference between the purchase price, as set 3 or 5 years previously including a discount, and the share price value when purchased. That is where the tax saving is at the end.

For many employees the price drop is not a problem. Assuming they are using a share scheme then they get them at a discounted price set eigther 3 or 5 years earler, the Money is taken from there salary befor tax. At the end of the scheme they eigther have the shares or the cash plus a bit added on as intrest. Many who are not in the, now closed, finally salary pension, keep the shares year on year to use in retirement as an added bonus. So say 3 years of a dropping share is compensated for by a say previous 3 years of the price rising, so the longer they hold in general the better of they become, Romberg they are purchasing at a discount every time. Then add in dividends, which some reinvest others take the cash. The vast majority of staff who do this end up much better off than some may think... Discounted price, dividend, share price changes evened out over tine, and pay less tax on there wages as the money is before tax. For those who can afford it, how can this not be a winner by the time they retire.

Think mummy and daddy need to stop giving you fizzy drinks and chocolate, its making you hyper, still back to school for you sooooooon.

Make your mind up !!! The last few days you have been constantly comparing BT to Centica and British Gas i.e. going down the pan. Which way is your wind blowing...

Not really that important in the scheme of things', has probably happened to others in the past and the future. As OFCOM states, Crucially the regulator noted that BT had been both very cooperative in its engagement over this issue and that the problem itself had “not resulted in any direct harm to UK citizens or consumers.”

Only if you are a US citizen, living in the UK and we don't Brexit. Then you can make a claim !!!!!!!!

The reason for thr formation of Openreach was because SPs felt that they were not getting the service they should as BT controlled every aspect of provision of service, to the detriment of SPs and advantage to itself. True/false that depends on weather you were BT or a SP
The solution was to separate the last mile into a division that was to give service equally to all SPs including BT. It did not work to well at first and in the end OFCOM wished to make OR separate thankfully a compromise was found keeping OR in the BT family. I can't see BT getting rid of OR there is to much income from it at the end of the day. Yes some staff perhaps do not earn there keep, but that's the same in many companies, but the vast majority are good know there network and products, unlike some of the contractors they use. If they did float OR then I can't see anybody wanting it without the network and equipment, without that it would be difficult to make a profit from just having the staff. BT played the contractor type of running things for a few years, getting the number of jobs per head as high as they could, in the end quantity was sky high but quality went down the pan, it then took several years to get the network back up to spec. The same would happen if they got rid of OR. Then where would we all be, who would pick up the bill to get it back to a good standard. Really can't see it happening as long as there is a need for the last mile. IMO

Aus. I concede to your superior knowledge and insight in BT plc and its subsidiary business.

Aus. Demarcation points were put in place to comply with OFCOM regulations so that other parts of BT group could not gain an unfair advantage over other operators. Other operators have not and do not have physical access to any part of the core or local loop. Any jumpering on MDF is by OR , fibre splicing is only BT or OR , service providers have access to there equipment in exchanges only, they do not have access to any other areas in the building or the external network.

Faults. Operate work on the core network equipment with a demarcation point being the MDF SOF or DDF depending on the product being delivered by Openreach there are clear demarcation points. The interconnection between the points, known as jumpers, i.e. they jump from one point to another, again dependent upon the product some or all of that work is done by one or the other, known as compliance. E side, D side and local fibre cables are OR, FTTC cabs are OR, product LTEs are OR as are NTEs, Ethernet NTEs and Chassis (ADVA) are OR, BB routers are OR but the exchange end of a copper BB is BT, the same for FTTC at the exchange. As for the duct, well as they can share both core and last mile cables not sure about that but would suspect it being BT. Ps Openreach also have the high pay grade staff. Other service providers racks can be worked on by OR staff when they contain OR products serving them, e.g. Ethernet, OR connect to there copper products on the MDF where there presence is (jumpering).