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TOs had a saying, " I get paid for what I know not what I do".

Faults, that is not correct, unless you are talking Monday to Thursday, as Friday was down the pub all day, if you bothered to attend on a Friday !!!

with respect to access private land, when the infrastructure was first installed there would have been an agreement for ongoing access even when the ownership of the land changes, and in many cases compensation could be a one off payment or a rental arrangement that carries forward. Infrastructure providing services on domestic property tends to have no cost or rental as it would have been written into the original contract to provide service, so replacing, or adding to an existing route is not a real problem, ie a cable run along the front of a row of shops etc...
With respect to cell sites, before 4g was rolled out most that were not feed by radio/microwave had an 8meg fibre system ( 4 times 2m channels) some a 34m ( 16 times 2m ) or even some with SDH nodes. With the roll out of 4g much of this was replaced with 10m 100m or 1g Backhaul some even 10g depending on the site .
So for a new network there is a lot of legal things to contend with, some ongoing costs, permits to dig the roads up, not to mention a workforce to do the duct laying, many companies are tied up with that sort of work for existing providers of telecoms, power, gas, water, so you would have to be considering having your own workforce and equipment to get the job done. Big task...

Aus. Yup leave the farmers to OR, don't want the new network to get covered in s**t. Mobile Backhaul still needs a physical network to support it.
" those areas you laugh at comes to over 17 million premises.". That doesn't mean that all will use the service, if it did, then Virgin would not exist as BT has access to almost every premises in the country.
The point is if you build it you need customers to use its services to get the return, the only way is slowly slowly, build out the network and add customers to it, once you have enough to cover the investment, move on a few more miles and repeat. The problem with that is it will take years, perhaps better to stick with what you have, sell services over BT network for the rest, and make some profit that way without the potential risk of trying to build a national network with the risk of no real return.
Price going back up at the moment.

Aus". Yes liberty could pay for extending the network out from the current hot spot centres. There are some real world issues to deal with, permission from local Goverment to install the duct work, it can take months just for one permit for one section of a road, way leave to access private land and install ducting. That alone in some cases could cause massive delays, not talking days but months, per permit. So you get the network to a site in the rolling hills, who else are you going to sell fibre services to to bring in some revenue from your new network extension. And if you do sel a service to the farmer next door who is going to pay for the fibre from your duct to the farmer, what's the cost of duct and fibre for say 500 meters. The thing is they would need to sell services attached to the network extension so who will that be and at what cost to make a profit on the investment.

Aus. Virgin have there local networks in areas of high population because most were cable TV networks. Voda inherited C&W national network with breakout in commercial centres. Neither have a big presence in rural areas, exactly where you need cell sites to provide national coverage. My BT exchange is about a mile from home, nearest Voda connection point is around 10 miles away, nearest Virgin point is about 23 miles away. So if I wanted a Backhaul who would I go to from the point of cost and speed of provision... Yup BT the others would need to use Openreach to reach me at a realistic cost and speed of provision. There are about 10 cell sites, within a mile of me so even with site sharing who is there best bet for network connectivity.

Sorry Aus but around 90% of all cell sites are feed by Openreach fibre. Voda and Virgin fibre networks are hot spots very few radiate more than about 10 miles from the centre, to reach further they use Openreach for there connectivity to site. Yes they could replace BT Backhaul to all there sites but can they afford the cost of all the ductwork, and fibre it for miles just to be able to feed one circuit to a cell site in the middle of a field. The cost would be much, much higher than sticking with the existing access from BT. As a guide about 7-8 years ago a power generator local to me requested the cost of providing a Backhaul to a beach site across open country total distance from exchange to site around 10 miles the last 4-5 across an area with no duct or poles so it would all be new for the last 4-5 miles. After a survey the price to provide was in excess of £80k. They ain't gonna spend that much for no return for hundreds of locations they have no access to.

This will free up capacity on the EE network to sell on to others so the lost income has a good chance of returning in due course. On another front Voda may need to increase capacity in some parts of its network which will likely mean extra Backhaul for BT to supply to them.

They were talking about, Post, Water and Rail to take over control of, no mention of Telecoms. Will have to wait for a manifesto to be released before we will know. In respect of Rail, let's face it a Goverment could do no worse than the bunch running rail franchises at present !!!

Whooooooo Such insight, like a tree blowing in the wind, perhaps we have now reached the top eh, or maybe not. nice to see you are now back in love...

Well looks like the markets are not bothered by Boris getting his shafting by parliament.

Exactly. If there is no tie up, then no problem. If there is I would expect Sky to drop Openreach in Virgin areas as there OR contracts end. Then BT can see how it is going and if needed offer a bit of competition via the OR network in Virgin areas. The reason many still say Network is king, not selling OR gives BT options they otherwise would not have. It could even do BT a favour by opening up network competition thereby giving BT an argument that as there are other networks for BB providers to use, they could bring OR back under full control, with a BIG 2 fingers to OFCOM.

In some geographical areas, i.e. where Virgin has its own network, then yes. For every where else then not a problem as they will still need to use Openreach for access. This is exactly why those calling for OR to be sold off are short sighted.

With the best will in the world, not all can absorb training, they just don't have it in them.

Aus. Introducing 'Skills for Tomorrow': a new online and community training programme designed to provide essential digital skills training for 10 million school children, families and businesses across the UK
This will be a continuation of there existing community programs, nothing to do with reducing staff numbers. Remember many of the staff leaving with packages will be doing so as early retirement. Good to see all call centres returning and at last a focus on Local Knowledge.

Could be' or now that some are back at school they have to do there homework rather than troll the web...

Aus So is Brexit. !?*€$!?[]?!

So Div in the bank, or reinvested and SP back to the level of Aug 8th. Who said a Div paying share was a bad thing for investors? Hopefully upwards from now.

prorogation ...

Faults. Yes managers left with 6 and two thirds years enhancement on there pension and up to 3 years salary spred over a few years to avoid tax.
Velo. Thankfully employees still paid there contribution but still ended up loosing out. CWU took the company to task over there payment holiday, not listening...