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Aus. Interesting presentation. Using blown fibre tubing but without the protection of sub-duct which BT use. Useful in areas such as University campus and town centres/shopping complex. With only 24 per trench then thats a lot of street furniture say every 23 homes, each side of the road. This work will require permits to dig, that costs, if memory serves if the footpath width is reduced to less than 1.2m then a temp footpath has to be made in the road, councils don't like that over long distances as it puts people at a higher risk than walking on a footpath. This method has its place but is no good outside of urban areas or in the carriageway. This type of network build has very high costs with low return rates, and as we know with things like HS2 and in the past ,Mercury network build that failed, costs can soon rocket. Deep pockets needed for a full UK network build.

Avro. Good of you to make an effort, 4 days and your content is, well shal we say lacking,using a media report that is nearly 5 months old and its main content received an update from Openreach last week stating they were increasing the number of premises for FTTP from 13k a week to around 26k. So that's loss of market share covered isn't it. MTH

Avro. Facts is Facts. So I shall refer you back to my post, 03/02/20 @ 10.09 as it would appear that you have missed it.
Secondly as you insist on using" bits" of data to build your argument, can you also provide us with an answer to my post
31/01/20 @ 14.19 hears a reminder, "you still need to clarify loss of market share ? Where will that be and why."
I look forward to a well constructed post in regard to the second matter.

As I pointed out tater day, a time period is irrelevant unless you are selling. Your post is factually correct but means nothing unless selling. 10 years ago it was around 70p so today is up over 120% twice what it has gone down in your time frame... Its an irrelevant pice of data.

Sky has BT by the balls, think it's the other way round. Sky need BT to provide there BB over the whole of the U.K. Other networks are only hotspots....

I am only going to recommend one provider aren't I... Depends on which package as to your expected speed. Go on do the right thing, you know you want to !!!

Many things can affect radio signals, they don't like going through things, don't like matalic obstruction, other items emitting radio signals causing interference, low power output, it can be many things. You may find your previous router from another supplier may work on your line, I have an old Netgear router that I use to assist faulting BB that works on older BB, is copper. Have a play around if you feel confident to.

Yup Wifi is slower than Ethernet, but that sounds ok. If you experience a speed drop again comparing them again will assist in resolving the problem, but you may have found it if it remains stable. Wifi can be a pain in the butt sometimes.

So you are getting 17m on both wifi and Ethernet? And is that the same when it drops to 1m, I'e the same speed on wifi and Ethernet, 1m on both.

LT. What are the speed comparsons Between Wifi and Ethernet.

Avro. Your comment stated year after year, the years to come will allow revenue to increase and profit. As I posted a few days ago, with the rollout of FTTP increasing from its current level will bring in new streams. If BT receives government funding to further speed this up, then that's less money to find and get it done easer. That will bring about staffing reductions as maintenance costs to the network will drastically drop, many newer employees are on fixed term contracts that get renewed if they are still needed, so no big cost in losing numbers going forward. The sell off of assets has started and will bring savings to a bit down the road, I'e BT fleet, less staff less vehicle costs. 5G will bring new revenue streams and the return to the high street.
So you still need to clarify loss of market share ? Where will that be and why.

Avro. "year after year they will continue lose market share and become less and less profitable"
What market share are they losing, please clarify.
Less and less profitable, again please explain how you come to that conclusion.

Avro. Your last post has proved my point"... Thanks for that.

Avro. Why do you bother. 5 years ago it was £5, 10 it was around 70p. You can pick any time period to back a point of view, unless you bought at price A and sell at price B, it's irrelevant. Much like most of your posting...

Avro. If you don't have anything intelligent, informed or constructive to post, then please, "GOOD BUY, GOODBYE "

" Whilst this may not be the intent of the Government, the threat nonetheless remains – and constitutes a material concern to
investors in infrastructure that is not dominant."
Exactly Aus, whoever may decide to build a network has to accept that others may be allowed access, will new money find this attractive to build it. Don't know, there is the risk that it would give cheap access to competitors, would they rather just be a competitor without the expense of network build. Then again nobody will want to use it, so its all ours, but if they then loose customers to other SPs they have had the expense of building a network that nobody uses.
That is why IMO the likes of Virgin will only choose to expand there network where they already have one rather than a full national one. Keep to there local hotspots with nobody else using there network and let BT spend the money building a full national network, that they can choose to jump on, or not. The thing is if that happens then BT will be seen as the company who gave high speed access to all, not just some.

Aus Sky do not own a network in the UK they are simply a service provider, be that TV, BB or anything else. I think you are starting to get caught up in a world of disjointed information. By using your rational then BT could turn around and say the following parts of our network were provided after privation using private funds so nobody else can stick there network down or on it. As for OFCOM and Virgin then they may not regulate its network but the do its services delivered over it, that is any sort of communication service, therefor they could well insist that other SPs are given some access to it, in fact Virgin may well welcome allowing BT to provide services over there network, a good income stream with little cost to them, same as BT has to...

Well Aus that then answers the question of BT rollout of FTTP for BB, if the government do not supply funds then it also will be private funded for that part of there network, therefor no access for others, can't have it both ways.

Aus. " Virgin now have access to 54% of the population & growing"
So is the the population, ie several persons residing at the same place or property served directly by Virgin physical network ?
If you look back a few weeks in my posts you will see mention that dependent upon your location you can be from a few miles to a BT fibre node to a few hundred meters, effectively the national fibre network is there just needs the last bit of expansion.
Electronics, yup, but located in buildings in temperature and humidity controlled environment, with a clean power supply and back-up power. The core network has built in redundancy using rings of network so if one link fails it switches to another route, network diversity, ie ductwork from a building going in separate directions, so if the east duct is damaged the west is intact.
One issue to access to BT duct is that some of the old copper core cables are still in the ground as they cannot be bulled out as newer cables are so tightly wrapped around them it would damage the newer ones if the old is pulled out. That also will affect SPs putting there cable in a duct if it is defined as blocked, who will pick up the build cost of new duct. Also if a SP damages an existing BT cable while providing there own, then they will have to compensate BT for that damage and loss of services. Its very easy to say you can have access to BT duct etc, not so easy to do in the real world...

Second point, Sky with Virgin, if that is the way they go then fine competition is good. If that is there intention for delivering FTTP for there services then unless they also have access as at present to the BT network they will lose customers. The Virgin network is limited to select locations at present and expanding it to new areas will take time and a lot of investment. As Sky intend to deliver more of there TV content via BB do you think they will want to loose customers because they do not have access to a national network, no, at worst they will run over both networks perhaps with a price bias towards those using Virgin.