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Brix

If the best response you have to being called a bigot is "tuk off" then you obviously accept my assessment. So just come out and say that you are a white supremacist and lay your cards on the table. I'd at least respect your honesty, even if I was disgusted about everything else...

Brix

Can you keep your hard-right fascist views out of any thread? "Some parts of Paris belong in Africa or the Middle East" "Outskirts of Paris like London a 5hit hole"

Just come out and say it you think these places are "5hit holes" because they are have large non-white communities. Just be clear about your position instead of skirting around the xenophobia and racism. You know damn well your dog whistling.

Saying your nation is the "greatest on earth" is literally meaningless nationalist crap. It's a completely nothing statement. It's not quantifiable, it's not provable, it's just bullchit. Nothing wrong with loving where you are from and being proud of it's accomplishments, but at least have the dignity and self respect to see the truth.

But I guess none of that really matters, because it's just something else to say to avoid the reality of how we gained our wealth. Shameful, pathetic, ignorant, head-in-the-sand arrogance. Typical nationalist, fascist, hollow hearted and empty headed fodder.

Sensible post, if a bit off topic, but that's this board...

Right-wingers can't seem to square the fact you can love your country and still recognize the astroicities of our past. They are mutually exclusive.

I think ultimately the people that cling to past British glory simply lack empathy (i.e. sociopaths) and/or are ******. There really is no other explanation for complete denial of reality. But that's right-wing fascism for you.

"Convenient truth" also known as factual reality.

Of course the empire wasn't built on the back of subjugating millions of foreign people...no no...it was our engineers and craftsmen! If only we had engineers and craftsmen today, we'd once again be the richest country in the world!

The mental gymnastics you have to jump through to completely deny the (extremely well documented) facts about our colonization across the world is genuinely staggering, but I guess it beats living in the real world, right? Why acknowledge shameful aspects of our history, much easier to just ignore them.

Are you trying to convince me that your denial of reality isn't deeply rooted in bigotry, or convince yourself? Hey whatever makes you sleep at night pal, anything to escape the feeling that maybe Great Britain isn't so Great after all.

"Economic decline" also known as an empire ending. We were punching far above our weight because we basically stole riches from across the planet through subjugation and slavery.

Of course this is the problem with people living on past glories (looking at you, Brexit voters), they conveniently like to forget the awful reasons we were so affluent. It makes it much easier to hide the naked racism of it all.

As if you needed any further proof that skier is a moron...

Arist

It's fairly obvious there's a few fascists on the board. They won't come and say their bigotry outright cause they would get banned, but you can connect the dots with what they say.

FarEnd

I never said that working class don't vote Tory, the general election showed exactly how stupid large chunks of the electorate are. Why any working class person would vote for a party that has, for generations now, screwed them over, is beyond my comprehension. There's a reason working class towns celebrated when Thatcher died.

I have no idea why you think I support Labour, because I don't, but it's irrelevant when the Tories have been in power for the last decade.

And I'm really not talking policy here anyway, I'm simply making a point that people defending billionaires are just sad. It's sad that they care so little about the state of the society you live in. It's sad that they think the richest shouldn't pay their fair share. It's sad that they think tax-dodging okay if it's done to the "letter of the law". And it's sad and naive if they think debasement of the law by billionaires isn't damaging to democracy. It is.

You can try and demonize or dismiss people as the "looney left" or "communists" or "socialists" or "snowflakes" or whatever other buzzword has been fed into your head by right-wing propaganda factories, but at the end of the day you have one side that simply wants a fairer, egalitarian society that works for all, not just the richest, and another side that doesn't.

Gazzleberry

It's almost as if peoples economic position has nothing to do with their sense of morality...

If half the upper-middle class has a sense of decency, the Tories wouldn't have ran this country into the ground over the last 10 years. The I-got-mine attitude is the same mindset that creates the useful idiots that defend billionaires on this board.

Amazing what mental hoops right-wingers jump through to make themselves feel superior to the working class plebs. They think they are part of the elite club, but these billionaires wouldn't let them scrape the chit from their shoes.

Aristonia

You make the only point worth making here. While muppets argue about whether laws have been broken they ignore the fundamental reason people are ****ed of and that's just the sheer immorality of it all. We have someone with billions of pounds paying an effective tax rate less than the working class.

If people paying their fair share in society is a "leftie" position, then so be it. I'd far rather be on the sides of the 99.9% of society than the 0.1% billionaires.

The vast majority of problems economically, ecologically and societally right now can be traced back to the never ending greed of late-stage capitalism bleeding everything and everyone dry. It's all done in the name of funnelling obscene amounts money into very few hands.

The only people that defend it are the ones deluded enough to think they are in that 0.1% - and I assure you, none of them post on here.

Holy mother of god, how about you morons just filter LTI? All you guys do is complain about him. Just filter him and eventually he will go away, like all trolls do.

You people replying to him are honestly just as bad. You fuel his nonsense. Say it with me...F I L T E R

Victor

Does early 30s count as younger? I have around 35k Lloyds shares. Frustrated at the SP but appreciate a lot of it is tacked on to pressures outside my control, namely the unjust war in Ukraine and Brexit.

Two hugely awful economic factors largely created by conservative politicians.

Christ my entire page is either "this message has been filtered" or people arguing with someone called LTI...

Nope, seems the bottom ain't here yet..

stagecoach

Can afford a stately home, but can't afford to change the heating system to something that isn't horrific for the environment?

People need to look forward and invest (this includes the government) in sustainable energy sources and insulated, efficient homes. The technology exists now. We don't need to keep following 18th century practice of burning wood in our 18th century homes.

That house is long gone and my dad, like many of his generation, have benefitted from decades of stock-market growth and asset value growth.

My argument is not that people do not deserve wealth, my argument is that the poor aren't simply poor because they don't work hard enough. I absolutely loath and despise that idea.

I grew up in an extremely privileged place (went to a private school in Switzerland) surrounded by the very well off and I can tell you there is no difference in laziness between classes and generations. Each have hard workers, each have lazy folk. What the well-off do have however is a starting point much further ahead in life.

At its core, the "lazy working class" myth is just something created to demonize the poor and justify wealth inequality. It's a relic of a class system that is shamefully still present in the UK. It is elitist, morally and factually wrong, and I genuinely hate it.

So apologies for ranting on here against it, but it's something I have been angry at my entire life.

Theosus

How can anyone working a low paying job possibly afford to save money in today's climate? Most renters I know lose 50% of their wages on rent. Then the rest goes on food, transport and the occasional night out. This idea that the poor off just aren't saving hard enough completely ignores the fact there is nothing left to save at the end of the month. Wages haven't risen with inflation in decades.

Let's say you completely give up alcohol, for example, and save £100 a month. That's over 30 years of saving before you can afford a deposit on a tiny 1 bedroom flat.

Forget holidays, forget having children, forget living life. And for what, a small 1-bedroom closet?

It's just so out of touch with reality the comments on here. You can't "save" your way out of this problem with current wages and inflation across all markets. It's not possible.

@cornsland

You're exactly my point. Your wife worked a low laying NHS job, yet you afforded a house, could support a family, could live a comfortable life and retire in comfort.

Do you think any current NHS worker has those same prospects? Do you think any NHS worker breaking their back for the last two years is going to be able to retire to a £500,000 home? Or are they the type of people that are currently having to chose between heating their homes and eating food?

You are precisely the problem, you think because you grew up in extremely fortunate post-war prosperity that your money was hard earned and that poor people right now just don't work hard enough.

It's pig-ignorent. It's completely ignorent of your own good-fortune and completely ignorent of others misfortune. Giving a **** about the poorest in society isn't communism, it's just being a decent person. If anything, it's socialism, but I wouldn't expect someone so naive to appreciate the vast distinctions between them both.

My dad, your generation, bought a 3 bedroom house in 1994 for 23 grand, which adjusted for inflation is £40,000 in today's money. That house is currently on the market for £340,000.

That is repeated across the entire country. It isn't through hard work your generation is better off, it's simply because asset value has skyrocketed far beyond inflation. Meanwhile wages have not kept up in the slightest, so the poorest and youngest in society are far worse off.

This is what annoys me about the boomer generation, the damn data is there. It's documented. You can read about it. You were factually far better off than the generations that have followed. You weren't part of some magical generation that worked hard, you were LUCKY. All you have to do is educate yourself and then perhaps you would have some empathy with the misfortunate in society, but instead you choose to think you done good because you are simply harder worker. It's complete nonsense and morally bankrupt.

Oh and for the record, not that it's any of your business, but this has nothing to do with jealousy. I'm fortunate enough to have money, but I just choose to give a crap about other people because I'm not a horrible, miserable old fool.

The disdain for the working class among many people on here (and all of the Tory government) is absolutely sickening. The poorest in society are often the hardest working and always the worst hit in crisis'. I would love to see the critics here work a 10 hour shift on a building site or handle a single week in the service industry dealing with your fellow entitled scumbags. These are the workers that are the backbone of society, do the hardest work and get paid the least.

The people with their hands out? Oh how about the bankers in 08 that trashed the economy and got bailed out by the public? Or how about the generation of boomers that have seen their wealth explode through property ownership (now out of the reach of the average person) crying about their "triple lock" pensions under threat? How about the already wealthy begging for more tax cuts while asking the poorest to pay more?

Tbh the richest don't have their hands out, they just take from the poorest.

Anyone that thinks this is a country of lazy people asking for a handout has simply never left their rarified bubble and spent any time with the working class. Stuck up, arrogant, ignorent fools the lot. Disgraceful, shameful and completely in line with a Tory voter. Scum.