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skier

Also please don't talk about Switzerland as if you have the slightest clue. I grew up in Switzerland and am fully aware of the far higher standard of living there. It has absolutely nothing to do with how many people rent. Although the proportion of wages and quality of housing stock is far superior than here in the UK.

You really don't have a clue about anything you are talking about.

Theo

Holy Christ are you attacking NHS workers now for not working hard enough?! After two years of a pandemic. You done clapping at your front door?

God and you wonder why I f*cking hate Tories. No shame, no decency.

skier1

I've literally linked you to government statistics which show your statements are bullsh*t and you still claim the trends are clear?! Deluded. Why do Tory voters insist on living in a world where facts don't matter?!

Bumble

I'm not gagging for an argument, it's just your argument has no legs. A completely anecdotal feeling about people buying mobile phones and clothes as the reason they can't afford a house. I'm sorry but that is a laughable argument and doesn't really stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

skier1 again presenting actual BS masquering as facts. Here's some real facts:

- On average house prices have increased by 6.9% per year since 1980 - this is no where near real term wage increases
- First time buyers have decreased since the 1980s - this is due to the above
- The number of home owners for every age demographic under 45 has decreased since the 1980s
- The number of home owners for every age demographic ABOVE 45 has increased since the 1980s

It's all here (https://tinyurl.com/2etjwwsz) in black and white from Office of National Statistics if you want to read it. Or you can listen to BS "facts" from skier1 and his right-wing sycophants.

I've had this exact same comment from you before and your logic makes no sense. Most people need a car and phone to work/live and secondly, even if they bought the cheapest available, it wouldn't net them enough money to buy a house. Most people budget for an average phone and car a few hundred quid a month. That isn't buying them a house.

You say yourself these people are living with mum and dad. What do you think allows them to lease a car and phone in the first place? They living with mum and dad because rent is too expensive, and you expect them to be able to afford a house if they didn't instead? You seem to counter your own point. It's mind-blowing the cognitive dissonance...

Everyone wants to save, the problem is that there is nothing left at the end of the month TO save.

Is there anyone under the age of 60 on this forum? I ask because I am extremely sick and tired of the boomer mantra "back in my day we worked hard for our money" bullcrap.

Every generation works hard. There is no difference between the people born 60 years ago and the people born 20 years ago other than the world they were born into. There are hard workers and lazy people in every generation - it is so arrogant and so dismissive to suggest otherwise.

I'm loathe to give specific examples, because I'm trying to make a broader point here, but I know plenty people working two jobs who are struggling to get by. I'm in the food industry so I also know plenty chefs that work 12 hours a day, 6-7 days a week in a hot, sweaty kitchen, for very little money. You tell those guys they ain't working hard and they'll tell you where to shove it.

I don't know a single person whose parents don't own a house, regardless of the type of job they worked throughout their life. From the wealthy to the poor, they all own property - this isn't because they were exceptionally hard working or exceptionally smart, it was because they lived through a period where homes were relatively affordable. Now, I barely know anyone my own age (mid 30s) that DOES own a house and nearly all that do have had serious help from the bank of mum and dad. It has absolutely sweet f*ck all to do with how hard they work, it simply just not realistic to save enough money for a deposit. I have friends working good paying bank jobs in the city that have rented all their adult life. They don't want to, but don't have a choice.

The reality is, is that hard work isn't enough right now. And it's really easy for you rose-tinted boomers to argue that people aren't working hard enough, or saving enough, when conditions now are nothing like what they were even twenty years ago.

It seems most of you over the age of 45 don't seem to have the faintest clue about the economic reality of anyone that isnt you or the hardships they face.

Every month another new floor. I've lost so much money on this damn share. Been holding for two years now and it's just been the same story. I should have just sucked up my loss months ago instead of trying to average down. Hard not to feel dejected when there has been nothing but negative price action.

We have been kicking the can down the road for a long, long time and now we are finally catching up with it. You can't just keep on printing money forever. The chances of more QE are slim to none, barring another global catastrophic event.

When the questions get too real, the Tories always run away and hide in a freezer.

TFE

"we've got your number lol"

And what would that be? Apparently I have "no standing" on this board. Apparently I'm not eligible to vote in the UK now? Apparently I'm gazzleberry. Apparently I'm a communist. Apparently I'm a socialist. Apparently I'm a Labour supporter. Apparently I'm a woke capitalist.

If you guys spent a little less time telling me what I am, and a little more time defending your political views, maybe I'd less inclined to call you all thick wastes of space with little-to-zero actual ideology.

Yeah I have a big Tory-voter shaped hole in my shoulder. Much better than having a big heart shaped hole in my chest though!

Quote you saying what? I've given you the opportunity to denounce bigotry and you can't. All you've done is defend xenophobia and attack me for being anti-r@cism. Do I have a specific quote of you saying you explicitly defend bigots? Of course I don't, but you are actively doing it now and have been every time the subject comes up on the forum. I feel like I'm speaking with a child when I have to explain that there is a difference between explicit and implicit.

You seem to be completely unable to denounce the inherent xenophobia surrounding Brexit, despite it being plainly obvious to anyone with a clear conscience. I clearly triggered you calling it out, which is why months later you are still going on about it.

To quote myself, since I'm just repeating myself anyway:

"Constantly attacking me for calling out the clear xenophobic bigotry in the Brexit vote is defending bigots, you moron."
"You've had about 10 opportunities in this thread alone to call out r@cism and xenophobia, yet are utterly unable to do so."

You've had about 10 opportunities in this thread alone to call out r@cism and xenophobia, yet are utterly unable to do so. It's incredible, I'm being lectured on courtesy by someone that defends bigots.

Constantly attacking me for calling our the clear xenophobic bigotry in the Brexit vote is defending bigots, you moron.

You are accusing me of being two people and you are talking about having mental health checked?

Gate13

He said she said bla bla bla. You're a child.

If you can't debate actual topics and have to resort to schoolground antics then what's the point.

Call me a liar all you want, I still have the moral high ground over someone that defends r@cist bigots.

Gate13

Firstly, your entire point is based on the lie that I said all Brexit voters are bigots and xenophobes, when Ive always said that a large portion of it was motivated by those aforementioned mental deficiencies. I stand by that. Calling a bigot a bigot isn't namecalling, it's calling out the absolute worst cretins in society. Why you continue to deflect and defend bigotry, r@cism and xenophobia is obvious to all.

Secondly, I wasn't criticizing the namecalling, but rather the namecalling in place of any actual points. Again -- I'm constantly having to repeat myself because you don't seem to get the memo -- if you have no argument to make other than calling someone that disagrees with you names, then your position is basically untenable.

This thread started as a discussion on the confidence vote and you three Tory nutbags have tried to turn it into a conversation about my voting intentions, my stock purchase, Brexit, the Scottish referendum, Labour, and a bunch of pointless accusations of hypocrisy that, AGAIN, have no bearing on the conversation.

Its so tiring having to argue with someone that keeps changing the parameters of the argument because they have nothing to actually say.

Gate13

What do you hope you achieve with the question exactly? Are you just trying to point score because I asked a bunch of (reasonable, non personal) questions pertaining to the actual conversation that you, TFE and the rest of you Tory nutjobs seem totally unable to answer so you thought, "****, we better ask him questions too!"

My answer to the question has been identical every time it's been asked, it ain't your f*cking business. Does the word "equivocal" mean anything to you? Because it's the opposite of twisting yourself in knots. My position has been consistent the entire time, while all you guys seem to do is jump from pointless comment to pointless comment.

Twisting yourself in knots indeed.

Who I vote for is precisely none of your business. But I tell you one thing, I would never in a million lifetimes vote Tory.