RE: Corbyn12 Dec 2019 04:53
TL - there was nothing democratic about the 2016 referendum. It was an abuse of our democracy & all the fallout you describe is because of that abuse.
No right minded person should sit back and accept this result in my opinion
There’s an argument to be had about misinformation, foreign interference & the ridiculous level of debate & finally behaviour of right wing owned press, daily mail, express, telegraph and other churning out and participating in fake news & in some cases hate. The evidence is for all to see, the leave campaign used dangerous divisive methods to disrupt democracy.
What isn’t up for argument is the 3 campaigns run by leave, vote leave, leave.eu & beleave. Each of these campaigns covered the entire spectrum, from moderate leaver right through to ragging national front racist & everything in-between.
Again this was an abuse of the system & again goes some way to explaining why no one can agree what Brexit is.....
Democracy is a very fragile thing & relies on several things as you well know. If the leave campaigns didn’t respect democratic debate rather than literally lying all the time why should I?
I find it difficult, to this day to find an explanation as to the benefits of Brexit, even the leave lisrs are now saying “just get it done” we’ve hit the iceberg let’s get on with sinking........ when I get an answer that’s not bathed in fake patriotism it’s usually demonstrably not true
Having been subjected to a coordinated political deception I don’t think it makes sense to carry on the lie & reward anti democratic behaviour with power, where this combination ends up obvious, the lies get bigger, along with the funding, exaggeration and false claims, biggest, best liar takes all.
Ignoring the shutting down of debate with anti democratic tactics, misinformation & 3 campaigns all seeking a different Brexit, we both know 17m people didn’t vote for the same thing.
The pre curser conclusion is for all to see, a confused electorate incapable now of making an informed decision a prime minister hiding in fridges incapable of telling the truth, flogging out and out lies about what he hasn’t achieved as a deal..... unable to stand by or justify his own words whilst avoiding any kind of scrutiny, funded by who ? Exactly ?
If you fail to see this & continue to back this con, you find yourself in agreement with mr Putin who hopes to gain advantage from the chaos, mr Bannon, the same, Trump, for the same reasons & because his handler is Steve Bannon & insidious commercial agendas who for years have abused both democracy and extreme capitalism to feed people bad food, smoke dangerous fags and sow confusion around climate change to protect their dirty polluting profit and the expense of everyone and everything.
These are dangerous times & none of this has happened because I voted remain.
A leave voted opened up a wound for every diseased agenda acting against our interests. A Conservative vote is