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Heath, unless the cost of the fuel is greater than the income, factored by how much degradation occurs but a start up cycle. Given the current selling rate, unless you are doing it on demand to assist the grid, it's unlikely to be viable imo.

the rapid charging cost on the road is 30p+
https://www.zap-map.com/ev-rapid-charge-cost-comparison/
If you need power whilst out this is what it costs, and if as a provider you want to supply power where the grid is too stretched then you either don't do it, or you do it via a device like AFC's, which could be a diesel generator (with all of the ensuing issues it would have).

I know some of use are commenting on comments, but the original link was to an april 2019 presentation, not december.

Haggis, re not taking anything from the draw down, that was 7-8 months ago, but I don't recall an RNS on the subject.

He's still a member
https://www.lse.co.uk/profiles/bmac/

a deep enough hack, assume yes you could, but that's unlikely to be happening in reality.

Hmmm, I've highlighted about 10 from memory, and funnily enough no response.

Two cents, figured that out afterwards, thanks though.

Yes, although adaptions is a strong word. The cable standards apply, so your hybrid plug-ins might only be AC, as they expect to only be charged from the 13amp mains or from the engine. So most BV's will be able to take DC or AC and will have different max powers depending on whether it is AC or DC you are charging with. AC will be lower as the high power rectification components are expensive and keeping them cool is difficult. DC has less of a limitation. I don't think that any BV's will need modification to work with either AC or DC they'll work with both. My point was that inverting the DC output from the FC to AC is expensive, and will create losses, so DC to DC has no conversions and is inherently better in every possible way.

Some Tesla's for instance can take more from a fast charger than other models, not because of the size of the battery, but the control circuitry to manage the charging.

we hit the gap between lead acid and Li-ion.

Yes, an FC will be DC, so to make AC you'll need an inverter, which the car will then rectify back to DC, both of which are current limited and lossy, so DC to DC would be more efficient. I'm thinking that the size of the batteries are on the small side, but it's been noted that they can be expanded, it all depends on the expectation of the public, if I dropped my car off in a supermarket carpark and got back at least as many miles as it took to get there I'd be happy, you don't need to get to full every time. Motorways on the other hand i'd like to get a good chunk of charge in 40-60 mins.

Obviously I don't know about AB's comments, but the batteries will all be DC, and as such you can either have DC:DC charging or AC:DC charging, which then requires hardware in the car to convert from AC to DC, this limits the current/power that can be supplied. DC to DC is where the action is at with high power chargers, super chargers and the like.
Not 100% on this but AC will get you up to 7.7KW, DC can be a lot more than this, the hardware required in car is simpler and can cope more easily.

BumbleB that's how I thought it read, but the clarity may be beneficial.

BumbleB, thanks, and to clarify, it was the rest of the southern plant that was too expensive, not the AFC elements?

At some point are we going to have to argue whether the steel used in the container being made using a process that emits CO2 makes it a green product or not.

Bmac re: 13thmonkey, re your...Some people here are suggesting 2.5 x domestic rates for afc, which when compared to some roadside options is reasonable, article below suggests 3x is what you might pay.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/electric-vehicle-charging-%E2%80%93-what-does-it-really-cost/n16833...

Wasn't it you and your pack of back-patting supporters that lambasted me with abuse when I highlighted the cost of an AFC charge ? More wake-up time to come. Bmac

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2.5 domestic rates (at night when i'm not driving) is cheaper the 3x roadside rates, so AFC are therefore cheaper than some, more expensive than others, but better than having nothing at all.
Any lambasting was therefore correct.

Chippyjo, I'm still waiting for any answer from him tbh, like who has been saying that there will be multi MW sales sales in the near future, but alas there'll never be an answer to an actual question.

Tatty, that's only a fraction of the picture, in many places the cost to upgrade the local grid means it is a stand alone charger or nothing.

Some people here are suggesting 2.5 x domestic rates for afc, which when compared to some roadside options is reasonable, article below suggests 3x is what you might pay. https://www.whatcar.com/news/electric-vehicle-charging-%E2%80%93-what-does-it-really-cost/n16833
But if you need a connection, and the grid says no, then what other choice do you have.

Bmac: you said : some rubbish.

The supermarket pays for it, it's a loss leader for them. Have any of these supermarkets actually done this yet, or just planning to? It's telling that they haven't actually done it, they've been talking for at least a year now, maybe 2.

Djpaul, the only mention you might have got was, No! or Wrong! With some copy from Google as to why, but you, we and others know that it's stretched. Keep reinforcing the point, the 'counter narrative' will be knocked back one point at a time.