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Recruited by who?
WS. A proactive and enthusiastic approach will never happen under the current regime. This is the AIM gravy train. I would like to see wholesale change and a certain ineffective person kicked out and replaced by someone with communication skills and vision.
I saw a transit up at Silverstone fly tipping! I now wonder who’s transit it was.
Alf
To me it is irrelevant whether FF is a food supplement or a fully paid up medicine. It is worth evaluating ...
W$
If I follow your line of thinking, I'd better get on and prepare my Transit 3.5 tonner for an entry in the Silverstone Grand Prix.
Strewth. Never let plain facts get in the way of another childish snipe ehh.
Right on cue, the chief apologist responds.
"Anyone who thinks a dietary supplement could claim medical efficacy is barmy IMHO."
Ah, right. Now I understand why the medical profession has zero interest in Fruitflow. I also now understand why DSM & PXS make no effort to promote the benefits of Fruitflow and why more funds will probably need to be raised in the near future due to lack of interest by prospective wholesalers.
Alf, thanks for the clarification.
Anyone who thinks a dietary supplement could claim medical efficacy is barmy IMHO.
It couldn't even be commercially suggested unless trials on Covid patients had been conducted, and the chances of that are remote. Yes, it has anti inflammatory claims, and we know that any virus causes inflammation, beyond that is in the fevered minds of straw clutchers. many, many other natural products have similar anti inflammatory properties. Blood smoothing is a valuable property, but it couldn't be prescribed by those treating Covid. Because it isn't a medicine, isn't on the NICE list, and has zero test data against that virus.
To the best of my knowledge, Provexis have made absolutely no attempt to allude to the benefits of good blood flow and anti - clotting properties and relevance to Covid 19.Before the usual suspect attacks me, DSM have experts who should have been more proactive even in the face of a moribund BOD.
GC
I don't think it’s mercenary to expect the company to be pushing FF if there is the remotest chance it could help....
A few of my friends have started taking FF because of the outbreak. One had tried it before but stopped taking it because of the cost.
Well disappointed$
I hate to be mercenary about this but our product can clearly help here. We (the company) really need to make our suppliers aware so they can ramp up delivery capability.
Is it? Depends how you look at it........
Both lloyds pharmacy and holland and Barrett are out of stock. Good sign !!!
"Associate Professor Senanayake said advice to consider blood thinners in COVID-19 treatment had already been put out to doctors internationally. At Dr Oxley's hospital, Mount Sinai, internal guidelines had been updated overnight, instructing staff to put all COVID-19 patients entering intensive care on powerful blood thinners."
There’s been numerous cases in the news about it over last few weeks:
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/opera-singer-among-those-hit-by-covid-19-blood-clot-mystery-20200428-p54nts.html
Cannot verify of substantsiate but thought i'd share someone's summary on another board,of interview regarding Covid
autopsies:
"unexpected blood clotting occurring in patients,in paticular in the lungs(but also occurring elsewhere)-&
they believe this clotting is preventing the lungs from absorbing oxygen,leading to dramatic declines in
patient outcomes"
Please DYOR ,but thought interesting.
A high % of Covid-19 patients are medically deemed overweight.
One major underlying health symptom of obesity is high blood pressure.
Fruitflow should @ least be on all GPs radars as an intervention to assist control,with NICE
promoting it to all necessary sectors.
Love & thoughts 11am today x
Jethro, I can see how it's difficult for you.
Swanson capsules are large as they use fruitflow 1 which is a liquid. Newer products tend to use fruitflow 2 which is a powder and the capsule can be smaller.
Hey Gixer
thanks for that info, i work on ships and am forever changing location so even though the worldwide coverage is there i cant plan that well ahead sadly. well i say i was changing locations frequently - that was until the corona virus popped up.
ill take that in mind though, what i have done is build up a stock at home and take a few jars off the shelf there to go with me on my next few months onboard. sadly i am now without as time here in france has exceeded my supply i brought with me. but trying to get a new bottle or two asap.
ive been taking one of the original fruitflow creations and not tried that variety you mention yet. Swansons has seen me pretty right.
in the newer style one (and as its one capsule) is it a much bigger capsule as its all in one rather than a swanson 1 gram one? its 3 x 1g capsules using my faithful old retainer.
ill sign up and get my regular supply of the new one in any case.
good luck all
jethro, If you are a regular user, why not subscribe and you will receive your Fruitflow every month for £15.00 with FREE worldwide delivery.
https://www.fruitflowplus.com/buy/
Hopefully we will have received payment for this study , “The Fruitflow with nitrates in exercise project will provide gross income to Provexis in excess of £55k, to include an element of overhead recovery. ”
hello zeus.
its a belief in a good product. sound basis of science.
it is a fact that were doing okay in the SP where others are not. were shackled to a giant potential market that has been closed off for 3 months or more, and the SP has not suffered as badly as my oil and gas ones for example.
i have been holding for a long time and i have cut my losses as time has gone on. i dont get involved in the petty minded arguments here. i am a huge optimist, i use the products when i can get supply, so someone is buying it to make it hard for me to get it.
100 plus products on shelves in varying states of retail success is way more than it was 5 years ago.
i was speaking figuratively about fortnight. i dont expect great things in 2 weeks. it just seemed a better term than saying it will be great in the morning.
Altering TMAO levels doesn't mean you are getting healthy so if a advertising campaign used FF as a TMAO level reducer as a selling point it means nothing , this is my understanding of what Ivor said . But you know how this works, people will go for the quick fix and avoid the long haul to health .
"In humans, recent clinical studies evidence a positive correlation between elevated plasma levels of TMAO and an increased risk for major adverse cardiovascular events. A direct correlation between increased TMAO levels and neurological disorders has been also hypothesized"
BTW Gixer I emailed Atanltia with that link in Nov and they replied --
Thank you for forwarding on this video, it is very interesting. I am the project manager working on this study and am more involved with day to day running of study ensuring team are following SOP etc but I work closely with scientists who designed the study and will be analysing the results so will pass on this information to them.
The study we are running is investigating if consuming the equivalent of 3 tomatoes a day for four weeks will significantly reduce levels of TMAO in the urine and blood. I would have thought TMAO is more linked to cardiovascular disease, however we are collecting kidney markers in the blood as part of a safety blood profile so will be interesting to see if TMAO is reduced from tomato consumption and in turn could have a positive effect on these kidney markers.
I emailed Ivor and he replied that ( my words ) big Pharma will use such markers as TMAO as a selling point knowing full well that they mean nothing to overall health , but we all knew already that big pharma are from Hell. I didn't know Ivors qualifications , whats on a piece of paper doesn't matter as much as the person IMO. He is in charge of reducing the Irish heart disease problem so he must be a decent sort.