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Alt Muddle / Bumble B - We know you are in Love with this stock and I really don't care about your rose tinted opinion.
You can call these spurious all you want, taken together, it spells massive failure. This man could quite possible squander the £60m we have in the bank, and I think we need someone better in charge of it. Simple.
'27, you finally have somehting with this one'
You mean you ignored the failed deliveries, you've not acknowleged that nobody in the entire world is using an AFC charger today. After all these years. It doesnt look like anyone will use an AFC charger for EV (excluding perhaps ExE) in 2022 either does it?
Answer that - outside of Extreme E - who will be selling / using AFC chargers for EV in 2022?
Second question - in 2023, who will be using AFC's fuel cell for EV sharing?
The answer for this year is..... NO ONE.
The answer for next year is ................Only Adam Bond, your Messiah knows.
The only Con Men here are you Alt-Muddle and Haggis McHaggis. Clearly Adam Bond's stooges.
Bondy123
I very rarely get involved with arguments on this board ......but i feel the need to say that you have obviously missed the boat ....and not made a penny out of AFC ....your lose .... :)
How am I a Con Man? I'm a disgruntled shareholder is what I am.
It suits you and Haggis, no doubt Adam Bond's cronies, to paint me and others as con men. So, so far, 8 people have ticked up my posts who have been called Con Men.
So, of all the stocks on the LSE, you think AFC has attracted 9 con men, just to upset you and Haggis? Get Real man.
I'll say, I know you mean well, but calling people con men, you are going to get strong reactions and wind people up, who will keep coming at you with the FACTS. Why can you never have a reasonable debate? It's because you and haggis are the CON MEN.
Bondy123
You claim to have been an AFC investor for a long time ......why did you not fill your boots when we were at 3-4-5p ...that would have made you happy ?.....dont criticise AB ......criticise yourself ....:}
Klunk, that's not actually true. I have made money out of AFC, having had an average of about 22p. I have been in this company a very long time, but like I said I never really posted. I've never really sold any stock (bar one or two occasions), and I have what I would think is an above average amount. Im in much less a profit position than I had been when it peaked last year, that is true. My fear is this going back down to 20p thus wiping out all of the profits I've been sitting on. I'm frustrated at the false dawns. I want solid progress achieved and reported.
Adam Bond's stooges on this board have riled me up calling me a con man which is why I have been reacting today, but I am as genuine an investor as they come.
Klunk, the lowest I ever bought was 8p, I didnt buy at those prices, because It was hairy at that time and I was holding on to a paer loss and didnt want to throw good money after bad. Hindsight is a great thing. Im not sure why youre being smug about it.
I have to say Bondi, Rolec would have been well out of their depth with an AFC fuel cell charger. The main questions are why AFC made noise about it in the first place and did they cheese them off by nicking a staff member?
Financials on the ExE unit were suppressed by Bond and I’m sure the reason was it was a unit supplied at cost. So not really a sale but a showcase demonstrator and data collection exercise in my view. No problems with that but the financials this year need to reflect they’ve had it cheap on year one while racking in the advertising revenue from the series.
Bondy123
Sounds like you have totally mismanaged your AFC account .....that is your problem..... not the fault AB .....thats your poor interpretation of events ....at that time we were an R&D company and it was a punt .....This is AIM market remember ...... :)
Its quite simple Bondy 123 .....if you cannot afford to play at these stakes ....go look for something else ..... :)
Klunk, scroll past the posts and don’t bite :)
We all know what they are trying to do.
I can afford to play at these stakes my problem is I’m greedy and I want to make a big return, seemingly unlike you.
Alt - you say you’re not a ramper, you’re not as obvious as haggis but you most certainly are a con man working for Adam bond.
Klunk you might be ok with losing money, I know a lot of investors on here will rightly have been frustrated by the way this company is being managed. It’s ok to be an investor that’s not happy, selling is not always the answer and what one wants to do. I certainly don’t want to sell, but I don’t want incompetence to choke the opportunity out of this company.
Why don’t they have anyone in marketing? Have the sales people even covered their own wages for the past few years?
I think they probably did annoy them by nicking a key member of staff. Iain Thomson leaving - he felt he could do better on his own. Had he been at a company he thought was going to be a world beater, would he have stayed, or do you think he saw through Adam bonds bu ll sh t?
Hi Cheekboy 2.....Thanks .....You are right .....but this dude has upset this board ....why should they blame AB and some well respected posters for his / her own inadequacy ..... lets hope news from AFC comes soon to repel this garbadge.
Klunk, they protest too much to be invested mate.
How can any investor use judgement here when the information coming out of the company via the CEO is misleading. You have to be able to base your judgement on reliable communications being disseminated by the company. That is not the case with AFC. Simple really and that's what myself and others are unhappy about. It doesn't seem unreasonable, given AFC's litany of past failures, to feel this way. I don't see how any logical thinking person could argue with that position. Unless of course they have an ulterior motive!
Nicely put Seg. Best post this year.
Bondy123
Iain Thomson was clearly a very progressive/ motivated guy .....having learnt a lot from AB and the future of Hydrogen and fuel cells ...probaly felt the need to develop a niche for himself ....good luck to him .....next .
Iain just wanted the big money that comes with running your own company and charging contractors rates instead of sitting on a salary forever. Definitely what I would describe as progressive/motivated.
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Alt,
Nobody knows if ROLEC are still in the game or not. AFC working with ABB does not include any exclusivity.
"The agreements do not license ABB or AFC Energy's background technology and reflects a commercial model for system deployment leveraging the mutual capabilities of both companies working in partnership. There is no exclusivity afforded to either company under the agreements. "
AFC will supply Fuel Cell systems to any EV charger manufacturer that want's them, whether that be ABB or ROLEC or anyone else.
Alt, my point was why did AFC make Rolec news? I don’t think they are the right target partner. More a charge point supplier than energy producer. And I’ve said many times ABB is the right partner. Not sure they are interested in the liquid system though.
Also Haggis talks about construction sites having space. As an engineer I worked on many sites and space is almost always at a premium so energy density is important.
There will also be a period of “adjustment” if new fuels are to be used as well.
HS2 may have more space.
Hi Segedunum ...... Another believer in chippyjo here ...... specially if i was in a passenger in the plane he was flying .....such a shame the personal insults have got out of hand .....to many good posters on this BB have taken refuge while the insults fly .....
Thanks Segedunum but I think you may be in the minority regarding me.
Many seems to think I’m gamekeeper turned fox.
Not true but everyone is entitled to an opinion unless it’s regarding religion, race, gender etc which now can be considered and recorded as a hate crime even without investigation or conviction!
The brave new world eh…