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Quite right, Si my apologies. (When you assume...etc etc)

However, given the time taken already and the apparent Ministerial sign off, I would take a chance that the update will end up being the announcement.

(if its not, then gawd help us...)

Broom, fwiw, my experience is that when companies go quiet its because of bad news. (Good news, they can't wait to shout from the roof tops.)

As I said in a previous post, I think the company is currently priced to fail. Its always a bigger gamble than we like to admit when we choose to buy into a company.

The refinancing was promised in a few weeks.

I imagine right now its a bit of a scramble behind the scenes,

(dyor etc etc)

so many here also, have stories to tell of friends and family going seemingly before their time and suffering such awful hardships.

all i can say is thank you for all your kind words and good wishes to the family.

(still, we can resume tomorrow ****ging each other off again, ....or perhaps not?)

I know, its difficult to comprehend, and thank you too for your good wishes.

Sorry if this is all a bit depressing but its the detail and practicalities that bring it home (or did it foe me). We hear daily such terrible misfortunes in the news and become somewhat inured to it all.

But how do you tell a 3 year old and a 5 year old that their mummy is dying?

Anyway, come on AVCT (or someone) and keep doing your collective bests to lesson these terrible outcomes.

Thank s D. (Unfortunately she passed away a few weeks ago at the age of 30....)

Life is so transigent, I always try and do the best you can, while you can.

Its kind of you to share D. I can only hope it will get better sooner rather than later.

Its sounds so cliched and superficial to ask to give her (and you and the rest of the family) my kindest regards from myself.

We have corresponded for so many years now through these BB's, that silly as it sounds I regard you as friend and I m saddened by what you are all having to cope with.

I read it too this morning and wondered if we were involved. Hard to say but on balance I would say not, but the thrust is LFT's for everything so we are in the right ball park, that's for sure.

The next results update is crucial to show profitability. The market it looks to me, is waiting for the proof rather than the expectation of us PI's.

If/when it comes though....

Sorry to use the BB for ion AVCT stuff:

D. I just wanted to ask (if you don't mind) how your little girl is?

kaeren, lots of ifs, but imo, it boils down to the finance and the court adjudication.

if both come good it then should safeguard h&w as a going concern. if the £200m order book is confirmed then its a company making profit. conservatively it should go to per of about 8. so some very general back of a *** packet calculation: makes £10m profit should value the company at £80m. that suggest about a £50p share price.

what i think would likely stem from both positive outcomes is a confidence from companies to place orders with h&w accelerating the order book. given demand seems to be ahead of supply, it should allow margins to be maintained, if not increased.

my view if this does come good then its easy to see over 200p a share in a relatively short space of time.

i would expect im to be sold off reducing debt.

if im goes against h&w then its hard to say. i have a feeling im is tied to the financing, in which case it could be very bad.

so yes, you have to be in it to win it, but that light hearted remark is not quite so much fun if you are in it and you lose.

as always only bet what you can comfortably afford to lose. the risk is clearly shown by the value the market is applying to h&w currently. (dyor etc etc)

We'll see: its been priced to fail for some time now.

So it will be a big surprise to the market if this comes good, but at the same time the rerate could/should be quite something if it does come off.

Hmm, difficult PR if labour let H&W go to the wall after this.....

Well gje, I can't argue with whether or not regulation should or should not be tightened as I don't know enough about all the pros and cons of current FCA rules and regs.

So forgive me if this was just wish list discussion to make the world a better place from your perspective, I mistook it for dealing with what we have in front of us and how we work with it.

Bella, welcome to the world of money.....

As soon as money is involved people will figure out a way to profit from it.

These small companies directors tend to make thousands if not millions out of going public.

As for us PI's, no one holds a gun to our head to buy the stock in the first place. Further small, start up companies are very high risk to ever making a profit from, small bio-tech companies its a higher risk still!

This is where it gets muddied.

If what is being done is breaking the law then its illegal.

If not, then it becomes a "moral" issue. At that stage decide whether you want to be a party to what you consider morally wrong. If you don't. then don't invest. if you think AIM is a "casino" or "run by Crooks" then why on earth would you buy any Aim stock?

For instance. is it wrong to short, say... a retail fashion company which has had allegations of poor worker conditions and practises and other legal infractions. You read about this and therefore believe the shares will fall?

Your pension provider has long term holdings in a number of companies but one/ some of them look to be heading into choppy waters. Should they be able to hedge their holding with a short to safeguard their funds so as to continue to be a pension provider, or would you rather they go bust and you lose your pension?

Its simply a fact of life. manipulation is always possible in small Market cap companies. If this is a concern then don't invest in them.

Again, just google large Pharma fines and see how corrupt big Pharma has been. The very companies that might one day buy out AVCT. If they do and at a high premium I am pretty sure no one here will care about their previous record of lying and fraud.

When the SP spiked UP to 185p and then fell back, how did we all feel about that? Those that sold on the way up did very well, did they feel any guilt, or is it just when a SP falls the moral outrage rises?

There is only 1 issue here at stake. Is the basis of the short or tactics used, illegal?

In of itself shorting a stock is not illegal. It is a common practise to allow investors to both profit from, and or to hedge against a large(r) bought position. The former being the whole point of investing, ie to make money, or the latter, to help protect capital which is fundamental to all long term investors.

I am assuming all here are aware of this. In which case stop going on about it. Its part and parcel of investing. If you don't like or agree with it then don't invest. If you believe you have proof of illegal activity then report it to the relevant authorities.

As always here there is always a wringing of hands and outrage when the SP falls. There is never a peep from the same posters when the SP rises.

"Did you read the second one wyndrum before launching into a thousand questions - it gives you the option to put forward other options? You really have become a petulant moron of late."

Given that response has 16 res as of this post, then Please accept my apologies. I thought my post outlined other options.

This is the 3rd time I have attempted to point out that I gave other options but they have all been reported presumably for disruption, though goodness knows how it is disruptive when called a moron for being told to do something I already complied with.

And pray tell, what is the point of these polls?

To tell us that a partisan BB with the vat majority already invested, will "Uptick if you have already seen enough data and have full confidence." And so what? does that poll influence the results that have still to be recorded, or the speed at which it will be done?

How about having the SP as an indicator, given its the single only thing investors who have already bought care about from an investment pov?

How about a poll as to what figure they would accept a buy out? Or if there will there be another raise and by when and at what price?

Still, maybe this poll was just to make you all feel good as in a strength of numbers type of thing?

Strangy, if we can keep this civil:

My views here only occasionally reflects my trading perspective. At times I see the possibility of a "quick" trade suggesting a profit. (Which I tend to highlight).

Mostly my views are simply an opinion of why AVCT with all the promise and data thus far released can be where it is. It is the disconnect that for want of a better word, intrigues me.

If Ice is correct then everything else becomes academic. It is happy ever ever after for shareholders.

However, there is genuine cause for pause. Don't get hung up on the "lft",. but it is the only thing AVCT have done that went from nothing ,all through trials, tests, data, TT, etc to produce a commercial product and it took longer than we expected and ultimately failed. Thats ok, but why? Was the BoD "honest" with Share holders? How could we have been so sure based on what was said and released throughout develand yet commercially failed?

The question I have (and others) posed is: is this now different?

There are similarities I think that are not FUD but fact.

I think it is fair to say to get to this stage has taken longer than we (shareholders), expected, based on what the BoD forecast, None of us foresaw that the longer the trial progressed the lower the SP would go, as that is very counter intuitive. Many here who believe the science is irrifutible, don't, imo, give enough weight to the business model and what is always a race for trial developments within the budget the company has.

This has resulted in a SP nearly 20% below the recent last SP placing.

I don't know how the DX side fits into the business. I don't know quite when it will be cash positive: I don't what it's current value is on the market ? I do know that AVCT don't have the cash to make up any shortfall if the sale did not match the debt. Also I think they would not use that money to pay off the bond anyway, because cash is already very tight.

I think the last raise was not so much a "disaster", (it was for share holders), but it reflected to me, what the current valuation the market has on AVCT. It looks to me, as though they raised the maximum they could and that was only to get them through the next 12 months or so, and in that time I presume they believe the future data will at last "prove" that this is a commercially viable platform.

I do think its entirely possible for 3 different scenarios to play out:

1: they get bought out at a price anywhere between 80-150p

2: they are allowed to go into administration and they get then get bought out at even less with nothing to shareholders.

3: The data is good enough for a higher SP and another raise to get them through to the Efficacy stage.

I think either 1 or 3 is most likely but 2 is a certainly possible.

To assume at this stage that CC will be "better " than AS is wishful thinking as we have nothing to go on yet and don't know what the reasons for his leaving were. So how can we form an opinion. All

Ice, there is no longer any point in us discussing AVCt as our views are too far apart.

Everything you say is probably a 100% correct but it is based on AVCT being successful in the trial and endeavours.

At no time in your arguments put forward do you ever entertain the possibility of anything less than a 100% success, even though in FACT the company has a long track record of commercial failure and ever only partial info given to shareholders.

Your one-sided view immediately renders any other pov irrelevant and therefore makes rational discussion of any other possible scenario pointless.

Well I hope you are all duly shocked and appalled when reading the abuse he apparently has hurled out to people who's view he does not agree with?

Because all I read is that it could have been this very BB where there are many here who have done (and those who rec'ced) the very same type of abusive harassing. defamatory and libelous posts.

Hopefully, now you read it from an independent source, it might give you cause for pause. when you gleefully personalise your replies with insulting remarks and worse, and for the others, perhaps you won't be quite so quick to press the rec button.

(i'm not holding my breath)

Many here often lay the blame at the "fud" posters for the diminishing posters here left, whereas the article lays the blame at TW's door for other's having left ADVFN to read his vile remarks. Perhaps, just perhaps, those of you who can't wait to hurl abuse just might consider that it is their very own behaviour that has caused this once thriving BB to be an almost empty shell now.

So