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Bertram

“You sold at a loss= loser.”

I sold @134
So I could buy back considerably cheaper today.

What I can’t understand is why people on these boards take such offense against anyone who raises negative issues. And what’s with all this twisted psychoanalysis .

LOOK - BT is a company, not your dance-hall belle or sweetheart. Don’t take it so personal - grow up can’tcha- stop acting so infantile won’tcha.

Whatever anyone says on here isn’t going to make a fraction of a penny difference to the shareprice.

You do know that don’tcha?
The shareprice isn’t determined on this little board.

Toff

Warthog

“Toff..to early to gloat”

Who’s gloating?

The private sector pay CEO’s and their boards fortunes to run companies prudently and efficiently.
The last thing they need is clueless douchebag politicians ordering them what to do. This is the private sector remember- not the public one.

Second guessing companies’ boards to score populist points with scat tabloids and mob-minded philistines is nothing less than hysteria.

It’s imperative to keep a calm head in a crisis - and that’s something most politicians are incapable of.

Toff

Up 4 per cent.

Now down 1 percent

On a day when the ftse has risen 100 points.

Up 16 percent today on their dividend confirmation. Hopefully Aviva will follow suit. A real slap down to meddling Tory fascists that needed to be done.

Toff

From November

“Why, because Nigel Farage has stated that he wont contest Tory seats, meaning that the Tory's are more likely to win the election and push through the deal. If the Conservatives win, just watch BT and Lloyds fly then.”

Well the conservatives won and Bt went into melt down immediately after - before the virus impacted makers.

If ever there was a hapless Ass who should never trade shares it’s Fleecy hands down. Whatever he buys gets decimated. Whatever he predicts - the opposite happens. I’ve never seen anything like it - he has an uncanny ability for sniffing out terminal losers and investing fortunes in them (I hope it’s Monopoly money he’s playing with)

He’s a counter-indicator.

His portfolio

BT - ouch
Vodafone - ouch
Lloyds - ouch

For the life of me I can’t understand why he doesn’t have Centrica too? Or maybe he has?

Centrica would add the finishing piece to his jigsaw of investment horrors.

Toff

Zrein

“If the SP drops to a silly level, the government would jump in.“

The SP has dropped to a silly level.

‘NDNIC you should filter Toff, as i have. All he does is have a go and posts nothing substantive. He obviously dislikes BT and has no interest in Investing here. His arguments are weak and he doesn't back up his posts with any analysis, or links. Waste of time replying to him in my opinion.’

Nothing substantive- you mean like posting what a great investment BT is after suffering another huge fall. The bigger the falls the more Fleecy’s jubilation. Doesn’t that strike you as being odd?

I don’t know any other poster who swoons every time their investments get hammered. You have to take everything you read on here with a pinch of salt. My view is Fleecy got sucked in to disastrous investments by fake posters on these boards and he’s now out to do the same. If someone’s revels in losing money they’ve got no credibility at all in my book.

Toff

Soup

‘Bricks and Mortar retailers for example have been decimated as their customers have dried up overnight.’

Does that include EE?

They’re bricks n’ mortar aren’t they?
Currently shut down
And I believe they belong to BT

Toff

Lamtree

“I've never understood what you mean by this statement you keep putting out Fleccy.“

Nor have I!

There’s comes a stage when you really have to question Fleecy’s motives. Okay we know he’s not the sharpest knife in the kitchen - but it’s all too apparent that the more BT gets hammered - the harder it falls - the more jubilant his posts.

His posts remind me of tales of old smugglers who used to lure ships onto the rocks with lanterns. They’re ludicrous in the extreme. The thing to remember on these boards - is that anyone can come on and claim anything - but Fleecy’s posts are right up there when one considers fake posts.

I mean...

How can anyone be perpetually ecstatic who’s lost tens of thousands of pounds. Not a real investor that’s for sure. His posts certainly wouldn’t influence me, but for those simple of mind. the power of suggestion could prove lethal.

Toff - rooting out fakes and phonies.

Mussy

“The landscape will look favourable for British Gas as smaller players get squeezed out.”

The landscape changed for Centrica when slimy politicians applied the price cap to forward their own ambitions at shareholders expense. Since they meddled in the company it’s been in dramatic decline. That’s not to say there weren’t other issues too - but the idea of them benefitting if competition folds rings hollow with me. As competitors fold, new ones will enter the fray. It’s a simple business to launch, it lacks the niche needed to make it exclusive.

If you go back ten years Centrica has been as high as £4-5 - that should serve as a warning to the fallacy that longterm Investments always pay off. As is so often quoted on these boards - alluding to longterm as a magic wand that it’ll always come good in the end. Sadly that’s not true it a market myth among small retail investors.

I believe Centrica is undervalued because it’s more than just a gas supplier - it has nuclear and oilfield assets - the sum of all its parts are worth more than 32p a share. But in the current downturn there’s a real danger of insolvency if it lasts too long.

Toff

Risking

In the bin you go too!

Unlike me- you have nothing worth saying!

Toff

The company’s solvency coverage ration is about 175 percent AFTER paying their upcoming dividend. Aviva can make the dividend payment comfortably without leaving themselves short.
If they were a company in distress it would be different; to pay or not to pay is a question of rationale and the answer is - yes they can pay it without risking the health of their finances

What irks me, is politicians and other sanctimonious bodies that are using companies dividends as a proxy for the virus to beat people down unnecessarily. Haven’t we all suffered enough without these venal peddlers and moral meddlers preaching and imposing their stomach churning morality on us. They see it as a collective punishment but why should people be punished to appease a small bunch of zealots, when there is nothing to answer to.
The fact is, pension funds, and retail investors rely on dividends and in many cases it’s the only compensation the have after seeing their shares smashed and decimated in value. Dividends were the primary foundation for investing.
I got in relatively cheap but many paid much more, so any dividend cancelation by Tory fascists will hurt long term holders most.

Aviva needs to stand up to these populist thugs and their scat tabloids. This is the private sector -KEEP OUT! There is a line here you DO NOT cross.

Toff

Risking

Toff - So you'd prefer Jeremy Corbin?

It seems like you jumped the gun and already answered the question for me, with a pile of invective diatribe. Read without prejudice next time - forming premature conclusions is the act of a man of the mob.

The answer is - I don’t like any self-selfing politicians who meddle in the private sector to forward their own populist agendas.

You’d never ever see that in the USA which is the birth of right wing capitalism. Once businesses become politicized it destroys shareholder value, because they are held hostage by these cretins.

Centrica being a case in point. Anyone who invests in companies that are continuously subjected to political interference every time there’s a crisis must need their heads testing. As investors we are speculating on risk/reward ratio and with political meddling the reward disappears, leaving only risk and destruction of capital.

Toff

The Tories and their Bank of England chums are trying to force dividend cancelations regardless of a company’s ability to pay out. In a time of abject misery dividends are one of the few bright spots for investors.
I can understand why banks need to retain capital, but trying to force every other business to cancel payouts reeks of mean spiritedness and political meddling in the private sector.
Aviva can easily afford to pay the upcoming dividend and to cancel it would be nothing less than token punishment.
Make no mistake about it; the Tories will make the middle and working classes pay when the virus has run its course. There’re already rumors circulating that the state pension age will be put up to 70 for everyone, along with hefty tax rises. The proles will pay for this crisis just like they did for the financial one. Austerity has been a permanent fixture for the Tories since 2009 and will remain so as long as those douchebags rule over us. Indiscriminate dividend cancelations are just another aspects of their venal austerity.

Toff

Right now there’re a lot of cheap shares around
My decision to sell yesterday was mostly to take advantage of what I believe are better opportunities for upside in other stocks.

I put the proceeds from Centrica @34.5 into William Hill @63

It looks like the right decision today - Centrica down ten percent - William Hill going the opposite way.

I believe there is substantial upside for the bookie. The billionaires who owns BetFred has been building up a big stake in it. And WH now has most of its operations in the USA.

There’s nothing to stop anyone doing the same as me. From one cheap share to another - but one I believe to have more upside. DYOR

Toff

Dale

“bet toff buys back in when hes licked his wounds.”

No chance, I’m out and out for good, because I believe the shareprice will fall to pennies. Why would I buy back into a daily source of grief.

Down another ten percent today, right at the very top of the losers board yet again.
As I said before, I don’t know if the market is right but its pricing this company to fail.

My only regret is not closing my Centrica position long ago.

Toff

TLW

Yes that’s right. The conspiracy theorists conviction that the virus was humanly engineered is nonsense and has been proven to be so.

Every disease evolves from a previous strain, so forensic science can trace the origin back to source.
If it were artificial, forensics would be able to establish the genetic codes ascertain this.

The corona a virus is a direct genetic descendant of SARS. The genetic fingerprint has proven this. Although it’s nowhere near as deadly as SARS, it’s infinitely more contagious.

But you try telling this to a conspiracy theorist.

They remind of primitive jungle people from long ago, whose beliefs are founded on ignorant superstition and witchcraft. Man is still the basest of beasts and one only has to look at conspiracy theorists to confirm that.

Toff

TLW

I lived in SE Asia for many years so I know the impact Chinese aggression has had on their cultures. Lao and Cambodia for example have become provinces of the evil beast. The general population despise them but their corrupt dictators welcome and encourage them in return for monetary reward.

The coronavirus has been endemic in bats for a long time. The disease couldn’t be passed on directly from bats to humans - an intermediate host was required for that. And the Chinese unsuspectingly found it in the pangolin. Pangolin is widely farmed and reared for its meat in China. And herein the disaster lies.

Because bats have been living with the disease for a while they’re built up resistance and acquired immunity. What makes it so deadly to humans is that it’s a new (novel) disease for is, to which we have no natural immunity. It’ll come in time of course, but any new disease will have serious consequences on humanity. What’s relatively harmless in one species can be lethal to others. Bats don’t die from it but we do.

If you look at the news you’ll see that all Asian countries have been confiscating pangolin imports and destroying them, as it’s now recognized as the source of the disease.

We’re carnivores too, just like cats and dogs. But carnivores natural prey are herbivores (vegetarians) it goes against nature for carnivores to eat other carnivores; and that’s where the danger of infectious diseases lies.

Toff

TLW

The Chinese are Universally Despised all over the region. They are colonizing the developing world with money and raping their natural resources. Enabled by the corrupt dictators who w***e their countries to the Chinese.

They eat rats cats dogs bats, anything that moves. If you go on YouTube you’ll find the most appalling barbarity Chinese afflict on animals. No respect for wildlife or the environmental. Just brutal conscienceless exploitation.

The world needs to censure them. And one things for certain - their eating habits will cause yet another pandemic soon - and possibly worse than the coronavirus. If anyone is going to destroy humanity it’s the Chinese. They’ve been responsible for the 1957 influenza pandemic which killed millions, SARS and Corona but to name three. It’s also believed the Black Death (bubonic plague) originated there. And all because of their foul gastronomical habits. Any worm infested stray dog is quickly whipped off the streets and into the cooking pot - how hygienic is that?

Don’t take my word for it, a few simple google searches will reveal the horrific truth.

Toff

Mussy

Hope it works out for you.

I’d just like to get one thing straight.
What I believe is only my opinion formed over two years or more of holding this share.

My verdict may be brutal, but in no way is it meant as an attack on people who still hold it. I’m single minded, I speak my mind. I tell it like I believe it to be. So no one should take my views as a personal insult.

We’re all retail investors with the same objective - to make money, so there’s an element of solidarity between us. Posters read conflicting opinions, take stock of the information and make their own decisions. After over two years of incessant falls I’d be happy to see it go back up even though I no longer hold it.

Toff