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Oh I see the connection OAPk was making ...

I've no idea whether this is true of fastfood, but thanks for the heads up on it.

Oapk - I wish you'd stop being so cryptic. I just want to know what you're saying without doing a crossword puzzle to solve it! ;o)

Your presence is required over on Ciz!

Two different conversations here ..

FAO FASTFOOD - your thesis is expected on Ciz!

SP = Share Prophets. Are we saying another article is out/pending?

?🤔 OAKp ...

Sometimes I don't understand your rather arcane comments!

Explain please..

I'll second that. Been waiting with curiosity myself.

Countingcards, I totally agree with you about Taleb and his ego, but it doesn't take away from the fact that black swan events are under-rated , and that's why financial fiscal economic planning is pointless over a five-year period.

Ahoy Neil...

Don't fret, I kind of understand your passion and background, and yearning to help people from the collective of your posts ; I've read them all.

Extremely interesting and enlightening.

(I won't go into my background at this point, don't want the audience to fall asleep)

Just got back from Manchester where C2H60 molecules have been interfering with cerebral neurons resulting in cognitive infarction.

Didn't mean harm by that last post but obviously elicited a reaction about pride and identity ! It's enlightening, and the more I read, the more I trust you .

All I was trying to say really was that it would be nice to see a big buy from outside the "group" ..

I'm taking it that you've got nigh on 3% of the company. There are two or three other posters on here with several million shares.

I've now got quite a substantial holding myself.

I was just alluding to the positive psychology of seeing a buy from outside the "group", as we all seem convinced (to varying degrees) of the merits of the company.

(I believe I'm still a bit more skeptical and wary of Black Swan events occurring (* see the eponymous book by Taleb), especially when posters seem to have one hand already on a billion dollar valuation. So much can go wrong. Events, dear boy, and all that.

Anyway, apologies for wrongly conflating "can afford " to lose with "not mattering" although there is an undoubted connection between the two.

This wasn't an ad hominem personal thing, it was just a comment really - as you yourself alluded to, that one man's million is another man's £10K.

Now, I'm all for Neil buying all the company ;o)

But I would prefer it if this wasn't such a one-man band ! And that other big investors (excepting the 9percenter) saw the potential here.

Not an unusual situation.

However, Neil , your big investment coupled with the assertion that it doesn't matter if you lose the money, is not as powerful as an assertion that it does matter if you're lose the money .

It's a positive that you're extremely confident.

However this is counterbalanced somewhat by the potential loss of money not meaning that much.

Just an agnostic observation.

I expected this scooping down before news . Be interesting to see how far they take it.

Shame I don't have a few more quid reserved

Nice one Neil...

And thanks OAKP for raising the question , and lovely boy - if you've anything to add?

I'm taking it that the question about the Patent may have already been asked directly to Alan Syms? ;o)

(I don't think a general question about waiting for patents would be price sensitive)

(At some point you're going to say why don't you telephone the bl**dy company yourself, which would be a fair point!)

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But , on balance, what I'm taking from this is that we have protection of the technology generally - and that waiting on the patent for the fibrogen capture agent would be putting the cart before the horse.

My opinion - and it's purely based on balancing this, is that there is no way that CiZ /Biotechne/Corepath would wait another year for commercialization.

If there is a minimal risk with this I think they would take it, as I don't think an extended way is in anyone's interest

Lovelyboy and Neil, thanks for the very detailed and informed experiential posts.

Clarify this for me but I detect a distinct schism here.

Lovelyboy is saying that there is a risk of taking it into the commercial public domain before granted - and , hence , we are waiting for the patent approval.

Neil is saying the opposite - that we are not waiting for approval.

Ps as lovelyboy states, China will be a problem (in many ways imo), but I'm not that concerned as long as USA and then Europe come into play.

Does that previous answer by Neil clear up your misgivings , or do you still have some worries regarding possible delays ?

Expectation is the killer of joy!

(Although I'm expecting quite a lot here ;o)

Ps. Cheers Brondby

Thanks for the long message Neil.

Well that clears up the "clinical trials "aspect.. since we've been talking about clinical trials of the technology previously that's what I assumed, but thanks for explaining the semantics of your meaning.. that clears it up nicely.

Yes, the Patent..

I would also expect things to go forward under Pat Pending, but I don't of your (and OAPks) technical knowledge of the other patents involving this company.

That was helpful.

Thanks

"clinical trials...I was taken aback".

Sorry, predictive !

Please forgive my projected unease about this, but in answering my question you will probably help other people and maybe help assuage my own worries about this.

Clinical trials: I will slightly take me back by the "readiness" word. I've been believing that these clinical trials will have been taking place already.

The Patent: does this preclude us from going forward until granted?

What does it mean if it isn't granted?

And can't we move forward with Pat Pending status?

Are we waiting on this for commercialisation - and does this patent present some major jeopardy?

Allan's "in the market in the very near term" ?

What do you think he means by this? I've got to say that in my book very near term means within three to six months...however

I'm a little concerned that if they drip feed news about ldt "progress" clinical trial"progress" and the like, will spike up and come straight back down.

I think the only thing that will keep this up now permanently and send it into orbit is that we are in the market and it's been commercialized.

Got to say I was a little bit downcast by your phrase " getting ready for clinical trials".

After stating we were ready for them in September surely they have been carried out?

Cheers TT

On this theme, on a sniff of good news, in the past, I've seen MMs scoop the price way down to trigger a few stops and scare punters to collect cheap shares.

Feels a bit like we're in limbo land at the moment.