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57% spread. Ouch.

Who pays that yield while the gold is still in the ground and unrealised? TheGoldGoblins, obviously. Next you will be questioning their existence too. The poor little misunderstood creatures.

All good questions Willhi02 if it was a real thing. But it's not. It's just designed to sound exciting and use all the required buzz words of tokens, rwa and V-anything. It's actually v-fairydust. But it will be enough to satisfy the LTH.

Question: Why would an Institutional Investor buy VGOLD-CORE tokens when they could just buy gold?

Answer: They wouldn't and won't. And certainly not from the laurel and hardy duo that is Valereum and QGP.

But vgold wasn't created to be a reality and to actually be traded. Its just the latest vague concept to give LTH some (tiny) bit of hope to stop a mass sell off. And it's working! The BOD continue to treat LTH with contempt.

OK, so let's get this right.... QGP were paid £100k admin to swap a $200m note for half the shares of Valereum. At the time, many of us didn't believe that note was real given QGP had only just been set up by two people, so it seemed rather unlikely they really did have the billons under management claimed. Lots of people defended the deal highlighting how it was a verified asset, bla bla. But it was basically proved NOT to be real because they defaulted on the payment.

So Valereum just swapped that verified (but not actually real) coupon for Vgold, which even they admit isn't verified. No market place for it or actual value - it only even exists as a vague concept between Valereum and QGP.

Wow. You really couldn't make it up. And the SP is UP based on that! Well done Valereum - it does goes to show you can now say basically anything and it will be believed. To the moon!

Has there been any communication and explanation to the official company telegram group members on why it has effectively been shut down? It was the main route of communication and BOD said repeatably how much they valued their shareholders in that group. Until they didn't.

The sunk cost fallacy is a cognitive bias where people continue an endeavor or project based on the time or money already invested (the "sunk costs"), rather than on current or future benefits. This irrational behavior occurs because individuals fear "wasting" past investments, often leading them to throw good resources after bad, even when abandoning the project is the more logical choice.

This apply to Valereum with so many holding on with comments like....

'Really difficult choice to make. If you can sell and never look back (for better or worse) than you might be a better man than me!

I’ve contemplated that as well but I’d need to know if I would live to regret it. Not sure I could stomach if it suddenly shot up and I missed out after holding for so long'. Same chap asking about averaging down more.....

For that reason I have to let it play out and pray hard!

It is convenient how there is always someone else to blame. Never the current BOD. David L was a problem, thank goodness he has gone. R Poulden was great, but then he wasn't and his partner in crime then became the new saviour… until he wasn't (Patrick L young). Enter Peter S to 'save the company' with James B (who himself said he had been involved for quite some time 'behind the scenes' at that stage, but somehow was the solution not any part of priory problems. Then Nick, although it turns out he really took the company in the wrong direction. But then DMC stepped in and it was all going to be great, but they lied to us and didn't really exist, but luckily there was a new company that didn't really exist (newly created, QGP, and they do GOLD!) either and they are in the process of being a problem that isn't our fault at all. We've also had a few advisors who jumped before we pushed them because the were not any good. The current BOD- doing there best and always great.

Personally, I blame goldengod.

Cimbom that explanation assumes bod incompetence at a startling level. I don't believe that is the case.

With complex company ownership structures including in the caymans, it is close to impossible to really understand how all this ties together and the controlling interests. Thinking about QGP as a separate and entirely independent company seems the wrong way to interpret the facts we have. Remember there is no history of QGP doing any deals ever before Valereum. A little strange?

Oh, actually, I'm wrong - the group hasn't been re-opened. It is probably safer that way as maybe they realise that RNS wasn't a total and complete answer to all those outstanding questions.

THAT panic RNS really took that long? Part payment (likely something very small as ppanchol said) is enough that they have re-opened the telegram group. Yippy!

Having being punished with the group shut down for the last 5 days, members should have been brought back to a nice compliant, ongoing-excitement state. Have a reasonably question? Keep it to yourself as QGP and Gary's kids are in the chat and may get upset which isn't very fair.

News of vgold2.0 incoming. It's still gold in the ground, but now treaded with 'easyExtraction(TM)'. With this revolutionary technology - provided by the leading company in field (set up 1.5 days ago with one child-owner, but don't worry, that's normal) - Valereum can now extract said gold without mining. Sounds too good to be true? It definitely isn't and pp1 will be posting how it works very soon. He has personally seen the machine and proof they work via the block chain.

The official telegram group, closed on Friday due to people raising very fair concerns, remains shut. The messages highlighting that situation on this board have been removed. Without that group, LTH have no way to raise further questions. It does seem a smart, if morally corrupt, way to stop that group getting worked up to a point where a large number feel it's time to cut losses and exit....

Cimbom my first reaction was also 'is that genuine?' If it is, I totally agree with you - it shows contempt and using terms like 'haters' is simply not appropriate for any serious business. The comment ' letter of good standing from a legal firm covering all aspects of their organisation structure" is incredible- organisational structure? Its a newly formed company of two people with no history of dealing with any organisations other than Valereum! Ever. What is the structure - "you sit down first" 'no, after you' "OK, but I will be in charge of tea".

Ppanchol 'They are a made up company' I agree.

'...and the Valereum board have fallen for it hook line and sinker.' I disagree strongly. There is a total lack of transparency but somehow there are controlling interests that connect the same people. Complex company structures makes it impossible to really understand how all this ties together. The Valereum BOD are many things, but they are not idiots and have not fallen for anything in my view. I am pretty sure they know what they are doing and will do just fine out of all this. It's a shocking situation even if predictable based on all that has come before.

£50k profit for the unnamed employee if selling today. But Valereum don't really have any employes, 2 or 3 in total? And Gary transferring to a Un named connected party who can then sell quietly with no RNS?

A relevant quote from the podcast about onecoin I previously recommended:

'She recognised a a difficult truth- that the difference between a straight forward scam and the complicated but legal world of finance and money is not as clear cut as we think.

Onecoin wouldn't be possible unless we lived in a time when people do make millions simply by betting on crypto, complicated derivatives and high frequence currency trading. Onecoin sounds plausible for so many people, because it is plausible.

She pulled of the scam of the century because the right conditions were in place. Those conditions are still in place'.

People power 'chatter' comes from the voices he hears in his head, combined with him prompting chatgpt to come up with something to post. When he reads this back to his head-voices they tell him it sounds plausible and congratulate him, so unfortunately on this basis he then posts it here.

Pp1 stop making stuff. Or I can save you some time and write your next post for you.

- goblins are real and live in valeriland.

- trump has said vgold with settle all conflict ever.

- eggs are old tech

- the talk of Paris is lining pants with vgold

- Gary can walk on vgold and is practising on water.

I haven't said its the same but there are definitely some shared behaviours some of which I set out. I agree there are also many differences. But some of what you say still paints an unrealistic picture of Valereum. There isn't full transparency. No one was forced to invest in one coin either. And there is a retail pump scheme, it's a closed telegram group where people get attacked and kicked out if they are anything but super-positive about valereum. Those safeguards are not real based on what came before... They are just claims and crafted narratives that will change as it suits. I am sure anyone who listens will spot some parallels. Again, I've not said it is exactly the same.