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Hello CB,

The order received by CyanConnode on June 4th, 2020, was a delayed contract from September 2018, for a total of $14.5 million. £11.6 million for the main contract and $2.9 million for the support contract. As we understand it.

The delayed contracts are discussed when relevant news is available to be released through RNS or other media sources. The details that were given in your post at 07:17 today, were probably what was relevant at the time, for release.

In my opinion.

LTI.

Hello CB,

You keep pushing that agenda, because you do not like a different opinion. You want to feel like you control this bb and that it is yours to say what you want, without challenge.

But just so we are clear and also, for what its worth, my 14:56 post, were all my own words. You may not have liked them, but I am happy with that.

Until the next time.

LTI.

Good afternoon all,

As we should be aware, the chain of events from initial tender, to order, can be long. Even if it works right first time.

The tender will start usually from various organizations like EESL, or state or private utilities. If the tender is successful, the overall order is placed/progressed through usually a meter manufacturer, or other implementer for that specific contract. And then the meter manufacturer/implementer will award various contracts, to various sub-contractors.

There may be other scenarios involving the private sector, but the process should be similar.

Delays will give an opportunity to criticize, for whatever reason. But the reality is that the company at the beginning of the process, who has placed the tender, holds the key to starting the process.

Or stopping it, if they wish.

LTI.

Hello CB,

My post from Wednesday, 10th March at 14:45, was about projects through EESL and the text you have quoted quoted from your Thursday 14:36 post " ...... details about how the cloud solution helped to achieve 5.89% reduction in AT&C losses due to increased billing and collection efficiency," was from the Case Study, that was embedded in my post on Thursday at 14:07, about Fluentgrid, which you posted on Thursday at 14:36.

Your comment on this was - " 5.89% reduction in losses. That is a very low bar and understandable doubts in value, given the promised land?" Which was what I was commenting on at 17:57 today.

You detailed in 19 words/figures/abbreviations and came up with an opinion. On reading the whole report, I came up with a different opinion.

But what the post about 1.2 million EESL installs, at 14:45 on Wednesday, has to do with the Fluentgrid post on Thursday, at 14:07 and your comment on the 5.89% reduction in losses, from the Case Study report, that you highlighted, I cannot see the connection.

And your comment about " ..... no idea what else you've been told to post."

This is nothing to do with anyone else. This is just about you and me and a difference of opinion. Which has been going on for some time.

LTI.

Good afternoon CB,

The Case Study, that you kindly provided, as I understand it, was carried out to assess the impact of the Cloud Billing Solution on 4 utilities under UPPCL, namely DVVNL, MVVNL, PVVNL and PuVVNL. The problem UPPCL had, is set out in the " Problem Statement " at the beginning of the Case Study.

The total passage of text you are referring to is as follows:-

" In rural areas, there is a high number of un-metered consumers. Increase in supply hours from 12 hours to 18 hours has resulted in energy supply to increase by 15%. However, revenue has increased in rural areas ( Non-RARPDRP area ) at an extraordinary pace of 26% ( Approx. 3300 cr.) Despite the increase in energy supply and presence of a high volume of un-metered consumers in UP (Non-RAPDRP areas ), AT&C losses have reduced by 5.9%."

So an increase in supply hours from 12 hours to 18 hours. Energy supply increased by 15%. Revenue has increased in rural areas by 26%. And AT&C losses have reduced by 5.9%.

The Case Study then goes on to show how the using the Cloud Billing System, has progressed the various UPPCL utilities.

- Input energy for 2017/18 - Reduced.
- AT&C Losses - Reduced.
- Collection Efficiency - Increased.
- Billing Efficiency - Increased.
- THRU Rate - Increased.

Also within the Case Study that you provided, there is also a section under the heading " Feedback from the users."

From the report:-

" Among the various billing systems, end users mentioned that the cloud based system is user friendly and easy to adopt. Also, various functionalities like bill generation, collection, bill revision, permanent disconnection, allocating a new connection, meter replacement, etc., can be done with much ease than on previous systems. The billing system is easy to learn and can also be used to generate MIS reports."

So all in all, I would say a very successful project.

And again, we will have to disagree on what is classed as a successful outcome, for a project.

But that is only my opinion.

LTI.

...... have worked with CyanConnode previously, on at least one other project in India, prior to Ratna Garapati joining CyanConnode.

LTI.

No problem tonyj,

LTI.

Good afternoon CB,

I believe you seemed to indicated in your 11:29 post today, headed " Concerned about this " that CyanConnodes Chief Operating Officer had overseen the whole project at Fluentgrid. In fact you made the point twice. Once yesterday afternoon.

He seems to have successfully implemented the Cloud Utility Billing Solution, for Fluentgrid. If that was the whole project.

The issue, as you have raised it, that Uttar Pradesh seems to be having with grappling " ..... with reduced collection of power dues, even after installation of nearly a million smart meters," may be due to the meters that were installed or the solution that was provided.

I personally do not know what was provided. Just that you have quoted it, from a report I posted, highlighting 1.2 million smart meters installed by EESL.

So, we will have to wait and see what remedy/solution the relevant organisations come up with, to get over this particular problem.

LTI.

....... Utility Product Suit hosted on cloud for UPPCL, wins DCD Best in India Award.

http://fluentgrid.com/fluentgrids-utility-product-suite-hosted-on-cloud-for-uppcl-wins-dcd-best-in-india-award/

LTI.

........ cloud based billing solution for UP DISCOMS, is now a case study under UDAY Scheme.

http://fluentgrid.com/fluentgrids-cloud-based-billing-solution-for-up-discoms-is-now-a-case-study-under-uday-scheme/

Well done to all concerned, especially Ratna Garapati.

LTI.

Hello Inthetin,

The " .... 3 million units ..... " as we are aware, is from Berg Insight. The " EESL installs 1.2 million smart meters ... " I posted today, is from an energyinfrapost report.

EESL have released one set of figures, relating to them in particular. The 3m figure from Berg Insight, could also include projects from outside of EESL's development brief or be inclusive of projects from different private organizations?

Tata Power, Adani, Reliance, etc., are I believe independent private organisations/utilities, who may have contributed to the Berg Insight overall figure.

Also, the 3m figure seems to be over a 2 year period - " ..... doubling over the last two years, to reach a modest 3 million units, at the end of 2020." I understand that there was an EESL 1 million installation figure achieved over a shorter time-frame. But I seem to remember it being somewhere on the EESL - Twitter page.

But you would have to ask the authors of both reports, what they actually, individually relate to.

LTI.

....... helps DISCOMs in billing during COVID-19 crisis.

http://energyinfrapost.com/eesl-installs-1-2-million-smart-meters-helps-discoms-in-billing-during-covid-19-crisis/

Inthetin, the reporter states:- " It noted that it has installed 1,206,435 smart meters to date." But I cannot find any date reference on the report.

Also, the figures within the report, for the individual installation locations, do not exactly equal the 1.2 million headline figure, but they are close enough. For me anyway.

LTI.

........... smart electric meters.

A new report released by research firm Berg Insight, explores the deployment of smart electricity meters in China, India, Japan, and South Korea between 2021 and 2025.

From the report - China:-

" China is expected to account for as much as 70-80% of smart electricity meter demand across Asia in the next few years, with refreshment rounds replacing early smart meter installations now beginning at a larger scale in the country.

" While China has already completed first wave roll-outs, Japan and South Korea will be the next markets to reach nationwide coverage, with likely completion in the next 3-4 years."

From the report - India:-

" India, on the other hand, had only reached a penetration of around 1%, at the end of 2020, but is expected to be the main driver behind the overall smart meter penetration growth, in Asia-Pacific, in the coming years.

" The Indian smart metering market, has in recent time, faced difficulties in ramping up its smart metering deployments.

" Levi Ostling, smart metering analyst at Berg Insight, said " Ambitious targets to roll out some 250 million smart meters, within just a few years' time, has so far failed to materialise, with the installed base of such devices merely doubling over the last two years to reach a modest 3 million units at the end of 2020."

" India has however been severely affected by the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and heavy lock-downs meant smart meter deployments were at a complete standstill during the greater part of 2020."

http://smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/smart-meters/smart-electricity-meters-rollout-in-china-india-japan-and-south-korea/

LTI.

Good afternoon all,

Wirepas, as I read the information provided at the moment, provides an acceptable mesh connection for the components they are connected to/integrated in.

I am sure they are doing well/will do well in their particular market. What form that will take in the future and if they move into the Indian/Global smart meter market/programs, is yet to be seen.

LTI.

....... also seem to have a connection to a Company called Beacon Trax, which market Wirepas compatible Beacons and Gateways and are based in Canada.

http://beacontrax.com
http://beacontrax.com/product-category/wirepas-mesh-beacons/

LTI.

....... I seem to remember we had this conversation last year.

Wirepas are a Finish based company, head-quartered in Finland, with offices also in Australia, France, Germany, India, South Korea UK and the US.

http://wirepas.com/applications/smart-metering/
http://wirepas.com/partners/

LTI.

CB,

" Afford " in the meter context, was probably the wrong word to use. But there are different economic/geographical reasons why certain regions may not necessarily be suitable for smart meters.

But the " rural " project/progress is happening.

LTI.

You are welcome CB,

And Secure Meters have every reason to be " ... proud and humble .... " that they have reached the mile-stone to " ..... have been able to provide, for the first time, power to homes in rural areas never before connected to the grid."

This project has been going on for some time, involving many different meter manufacturers. But I do not think there is much of a requirement, at the moment, for RF, in these regions.

There is one Indian meter manufacturer, that is manufacturing what they call " Conventional " meters, as well as " Smart " meters. It is what is happening within the Indian and probably the global metering industry.

Not every consumer is able to afford " smart " meters. There maybe regional and economic differences/reasons that may determine this. Some of these consumers will be happy to get a light bulb to switch on, so that their children can read books at home. Or a plug socket that they can plug an electric fan into. That to them will be progress.

LTI.

Good morning tony/CB,

Tonyj, I believe you asked a question earlier about was Secure Meters a manufacturer, the answer is yes. And for many successful years. Manufacturing also for the UK market I believe.

The " 7,000,000 " is not a headline figure for any particular project. It seems like an accumulative figure specifically for the Saral meter.

http://linkedin.com/company/secure-meters-limited/

Enjoy the rest of your week-end.

LTI.

Hello CB,

It was always envisaged, that EESL and IntelliSmart " ..... should be central ...... " to the smart meter program, going forward. That is why they were partnered originally, along with the NIIF.

From the report:-

" To give a fillip to the Government of India's vision of converting all the conventional electricity meters to smart meters in the next few years, EESL ( Energy Efficiency Services Limited, a Joint Venture of PSU's of Ministry of Power, Government of India ) along with NIIF ( National Investment and Infrastructure Fund , a Government of India, sovereign fund ) has formed a JV company - IntelliSmart Infrastructure Private Limited or " IntelliSmart ".

http://intellismartinfra.in/profile/

LTI.