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Cheers for that Captain Obvious. How long did it take you to compile that extensive analysis?

Suspect it will want to drop to ~1640 to gap fill first.

I admit I missed this bounce, held off on the expectation of a sub-90 buying opportunity. But that's why we have price targets, you don't always reach them, and wouldn't really have been comfortable buying at any higher price, but well done to those who did. From here, I think it will surrender some of this gain over the next 4-5 days and then crack on again upwards.

Re: stockready, he's filtered already from his insufferable spam on the Rolls board; the guy is a turnip, and an angry one at that.

Still looking good, not an unreasonable guess that it will climb into the 700s before the 15th.

Hi Jonny, will give it go.

For 1), that doesn't preclude further short term weakness in the share. In fact it doesn't materially impact Roll's current situation at all, being that it's merely *symbolic* of long term "confidence". Nor do we know the terms of that arrangement - accept a 30% paycut or take it as shares? - win win for the BOD. For employee morale, after the redundancies and cost cutting the CEO taking a wage cut too, in solidarity, was almost a necessity, and masking that cut with shares gives a symbolic pump to the market, as well as naturally incentivizing CEO performance. It's not necessarily a move of blind confidence in future share price, short or long term, but could have been forced upon him.
2) That's not really happened, thus far. If you have any evidence of it, then it'd be appreciated if
you posted it here. What's presently available in the public domain says otherwise.
3) Sorry, as much as you seem to like the idea of them, it's more or less irrelevant to the company and the share price.

Similarly, it would be guessing - it's hard to call on any given day what a share will do, especially with this level of market uncertainty, but for a guess, 108 on opening, drifting down to 105 by the afternoon.

Nothing has changed though. This was all being mooted months ago, it's not new information. It is still among the market's worst case scenarios for travel.
Consult the stats, and then figure out just how many countries are actually going to make it onto the green list (and then how many of those are going to be willing to reciprocate with a UK that still has active infection spread). Then realise that the UK is now much further ahead than most of the rest, and 90% of the rest of the world aren't even remotely close to this easing. That's the reality for international travel and a broad recovery still seems more like a year away, than months.

"You use sentiment we use charts, each to there own

You’ll find the best traders in world use charts and swear by them, when u can read a chart it’s a beautiful thing,
Take kando for instance he seems to think 90p is possible, some inexperienced people listening to him, unable to read a chart and see what’s accumulating could easily panick, when reading the chart you can see that’s highly unlikely.or even get bored and sell just like tryharders been doin for instance
Not me tho I can see what’s about to happen,"

Mind if I remind you of this later on?

For what it's worth, use both sentiment and charts. You're ignoring half the picture if you use only one but not the other You seem to think charts trump sentiment, but this has a sizeably greater chance of breaking South than North from here - because of sentiment.

I won't be buying back in at these levels glenn. I think the limited upside potential isn't worth the downside risk in the short term. Even the hypesters on here acknowledge the very specific and very narrow hoops the world needs to jump through just to achieve the 55% engine hours projection for this year. The numbers don't add up when the rest of the world is riding up a third wave. Vaccine passports won't cut the mustard yet with those countries attempting to remain covid-free like Australia, China and New Zealand. They will still require quarantine and won't risk reinfection that easily.
What countries that have done well vaccine-wise - the UK, Israel, do not make up for the rising case numbers, new variants and lacklustre vaccine programs elsewhere. I'm still wary that this share might visit the 90s again, and it wouldn't take much to test the 80s from there. Could be wrong, no-one can really predict the market, and probably if you buy in now, the others are right, you'll be up in 3 or 4 years time (barring RIs and government bailout), but it's whether you want to hold that long, and through those unknown variables. Short term, I'll hold off, because outwardly, it doesn't look like the bottom and I wouldn't feel comfortable holding while reasonably expecting it to drop.

Quite the opposite, I often invest in distressed companies, like this, at a buy-in price I expect it to reach, what I consider good value, and sell at a target price I have some confidence it'll recover to within a set timeframe based on a news cycle that isn't completely unpredictable. I don't buy and hold companies like this whose survival might depend medium-long term on further RIs or government bailouts, and then just hold, blindly, ignoring the context.

It's (a little) easier to make money riding shares up than down. I don't place shorts.

What demerits? The pandemic, debt, fire sale of assets and rights issue passed you by?

Fair enough, I wouldn't want to be accused of being an idiot for posting facts, so I'll only post "ez 7 bagger" posts from now on.
"everyone who doesn't think this is the best company on the FTSE doesn't understand the company."
"Pandemic is old news, cases aren't increasing anywhere and everyone will be vaccinated by next week"
"share definitely won't fall anymore on the impending bad news cycle... but if it does, just top up on the dips"

Am I doing it right?

But commercial flights are still down 30%, and within that, much of it is long-haul, wide-bodied aircraft with Rolls engines. Private aircraft and short-haul interior flights in US and China have recovered robustly. The struggle for long-haul is masked within those figures.

There's no need to spam, you posted that already. You ought to filter me, as I have you. It's just two fundamentally different and irreconcilable attitudes to trading.

"People should not listen to anyone for their investment here but certainly not the garbage you are throwing out."

So simply posting the current coronavirus stats is garbage, and unrelated to a recovery stock grounded by said virus?

We've done the reading, ostensibly you haven't.

7 bagger in 4 years, the next Tesla... You're not operating in the real world. RR has a huge debt burden, and a major source of its revenue is years away from returning to 2019 capacity. It isn't guaranteed that RR will survive without a further RI or government intervention, yet you choose to endorse a fantasy that is entirely the opposite. Tesla... honestly, based on what? SMRs, flying taxis and electric engines? Rolls is a long long long way off realizing any of those, as is the world in which it operates.

Fair enough, please filter also. You contribute nothing but gibberish. You've said nothing of substance to substantiate your feverish fervour.

I'll just keep posting the reality that contradicts your zeal.

Global and country by country case numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Vaccinations progress: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Let's flip it the other way around. If you are holding regardless of news cycle, why post? Why follow the share at all if you are in for 5 years+ regardless? You'll seemingly never sell, so it's irrelevant to you what it does today or tomorrow, until presumably sometime in the next decade you log in one day to collect your fabled 50 bagger.

I'm sorry you're upset by the realities of the current negative sentiment afflicting your pet share, but these forums aren't exclusively for cheerleading. There are other people here who discuss both the merits and the demerits of a share so as to profit from its movements. Very occasionally someone will add to that discussion. The rest is just noise.

Filter already, like you said you'd do. I've just done you. We don't need to interact.

Please do. You're not adding to the discussion, there's no need to engage. Try to keep on topic of the share and what might affect it, which is the purpose of this forum. It's not a fan page to post your undiminished loyalty to a brand name, there's other places on the internet for that.