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Long - quite frankly you can’t seem to read or understand what you are reading (that explains your vote)

I’ve already said any EU country can control immigration from another EU country, Germany does. Proof of job, 3 months expenses, no financial help until qualifying period or deported

U.K. government chooses not to do this.

People stuck in Calais shows we do have borders - leave campaigned on lies we had no borders

Non EU immigration running so high shows government hasn’t / didn’t feel the need to control any kind of immigration.... non EU migration has nothing to do with EU yet as a leave voter you’ve been sold another lie, that some how leaving the EU fixes a pretend immigration problem, which could have been fixed anyway

Talk about being made fools out of

Exactly right Zib - it’s not about supporting labour, it’s about resetting a Tory party that has been poisoned. It’s further down the toad of toxic than a new labour government will get during its 5?year term.

Long - no what actually happened becomes fact.

These do not get in the way of reality, they get in the way of your reality, which is a lie.

These facts are known as inconvenient truths.

I’m guessing you no longer know what is truth or what is a lie. Did you see my immigration post before

Only 20% of immigration is from the EU, 80% from non EU. Government has full control of this & can control immigration from the EU but chooses not to, using borders you were told do not exist.... even though you can see migrants stuck in Calais risking their lives to avoid border checks you don’t think exist.... As a leaver voter why didn’t you think these people could just buy a one way ferry ticket, if there were no borders......

You go on about labours referendum as if it’s madness, but some how all that made sense to you? Really? Bit like immigrants simultaneously “taking jobs & claiming benefits”.. dangerous nonsense.

Long - what are you talking about? Seriously if you’re trying to score points and convince me this Labour Party is rubbish, don’t bother. I already know it

I just think it’s a better option than the Dominic Cummings / Steve Bannon sickness that’s taken your mind away from you.

Yayyyy, let’s leave the EU so we can screw the younger generation !!!

It is a bit like that. Obviously leave voter logic will now argue when the national health service was created by Bevan that some how Churchill & other Tories can take the credit for it by voting against it & therefore trying to stop it

Of course the argument might be they wanted to create a vastly better one, with free unicorns and other things, but we’ll never know will we

Of course Tory party or it’s previous incarnations coukd have done this many times before but didn’t a bit like today, they could have pretended to build 40 new hospitals (whilst secretly intending to refurbish 3) 10 years ago, same as pretending 20,000 new police officers etc etc etc

Long - I don’t disagree. The only facts that matter are Bevan actually did it & Churchill et’ all voted to stop it. Anything prior to that was cheap talk.

Can we agree that’s the end of that little bit of nonsense - next

Longtime investor - I hate to keep doing this, it’s a bit boring even for me now.

Again nonsense, obviously just talk before actually being created

So the actual facts are

when Nye Bevan’s comprehensive national health service bill was voted into law in 1946, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Rab Butler and other notable Tories voted against it – including Mr Willink himself, who had by then proposed a hostile amendment to the bill.

Yes that is historical, verifiable fact.

I read an article a while ago which showed BT did okay out of its champions league licence in terms of public viewing (pubs / clubs) advertising / wholesale etc. Retail figures are much tougher to work out, but I do know plenty of people who got very into the U.K. teams in champions league. From an excitement point of view, couldn’t have worked out better last year.

My personal favourite of anti-Britishness that gets confused people juices flowing

“UNELECTED JUDGES”. Who are, some how enemies of the state

Is that 1930’s facist Germany or 2016 Britain

..... it’s both, both right wing dogma.

Talking about british values, which I thought were truth based & decent

U.K. immigration 20% from EU 80% from no EU

Because you all know what you voted for, you will of course know, U.K. government has full complete control over non EU immigration...... They can also control immigration from the EU (like Germany does) but choose not to.

Through borders which according to liars don’t exist, even though voters convinced of this can see migrants stuck in Calais & risking their lives to avoid border checks which according to Leave don’t exist.....

Leaver voters could of course asked themselves why these guys didn’t just buy a one way ferry ticket?

When like me you see a nation convinced of this nonsense, it’s not difficult to understand the scale of deception and the willingness of silly people to reward this behaviour with their hard won vote.

Read through these posts & you need to ask yourself where does this end, where will you children and grand children be in 20 years?

Exactly.

Mytton - so you don’t understand what a Marxist is or a socialist

Sooooooo, the nhs was born how?....... from pure, uncontrolled capitalism?

Even rich benefactors in the USA who help pay for access to education, health and art for poor people is a form of socialism

So your problem is? Exactly? You don’t like the nhs? State run education? Or is it charity or philanthropy?

Dominic Cummings & Steve Bannon of course. People on here repeating their propaganda think I / we support Corbyn and his politics. For me that’s correct.

I just don’t support political manoeuvres which are designed to lower british politics into a trump like pit.

How many times do you let your actual government make a fool out of your vote before showing them they can’t govern like that.

Mytton - do you really want me to find some of the disgraceful (of all kinds) from Tory mps / cabinet minsters

I don’t know where the news is, he’s subscribed to left wing politics, why on earth would he not take satisfaction from watching right wing practices fail?

Did you hear the laughter, the audience could see the irony in his comments

Now go research who wins when the U.K. / EU economy falters & likely outcomes.

Mytton - I think you need to stop pretending left right insidious American or Russian agendas will all look to take advantage of economic down turns.

You’re failing to recognise for example Brexit is the golden goose for all these things, it’s the sore through which these infections are fighting to gain influence

In this case, there’s no doubt what so ever, Brexit is a right wing agenda. Or at least hijacked by a right wing agenda

Apart from Putin who looks forward to any kind of opportunity to sow division and disruption.

The simple test is how many flag swastika waving lunatic groups do not support Brexit ? The answer is none, how many openly racist far right groups not waving swastikas do not support Brexit ?

Again answer is none

The anti socialism propaganda from America raging similar over exaggerations about Corbyn fail to understand British socialism is incompatible with for instance racism. If you are a liberal socialist, which labour stands for racism is like meat eating inside a vegan group, the two things are entirely incompatible. You can not be both things at the same time,

I’m sure in years to come we will laugh at the hysterical nonsense most of you appear to adopt & how obvious some of these liars selling it to you were, they contradict themselves.

The reason why I won’t vote conservative is a British government should be above such things, to find them complicit is frankly not worthy of my vote, it’s horrifying.

Mytton, don’t go citing daily mail as news worthy, you’re making fool out of yourself.

It’s spent last 20 years putting the fear of god up people silly enough to not realise, who & why.

Mytton - so do right wing fascists (see Germany 1930’s). European Economic disruption offers Putin help too & trump. There’s some good reasons & benefactors of Brexit straight off the bat

AW - Corbyn is a terrorist? Last night you were celebrating his imminent death & day before wanting to shoot him.

Is there any part of you that thinks you might have been groomed, by insidious propaganda, 2 steps from being a concentration guard. Or is this you, all you & nothing but you?

To someone like me who treats these claims with contempt, it’s very worrying

So Corbyn being a life long campaigner against any form of violence (from good or bad) doesn’t make you think each of these provide an opportunity to distort the actual truth?

I’ve never seen him quoted as delivering hate speech or encouraging violence of any kind, I’ve only ever seen him arguing for no violence & stop violence on both sides. As I’ve said naive, silly but not a terrorist or supporter of terrorism.

Hahahaha lunacy, in a couple of paragraphs. Quick search on line @ I can see the ridiculous sites & sources you have been lead down. You do realise Facebook profiles you and then floods you with things it thinks you, I’d love to see your profile

Almost don’t know where to start with the level of people’s insistence to believe propaganda. Let’s start with, Corbyn is an naive fool, he’s probably incompetent. He’s not a communist, he is a socialist, these things are very different, unless of course you are open to suggestion from American psycho babble, where any degree of state support is instantly & stupidly labelled far far Stalin kind of left with a very un-natural near madness over exaggeration, for instance, Obama would be described as such for daring to try and provide some kind of health care for poor people.

Please tell me you guys realise organisations like the iea (institute of economic affairs) are set up only to promote the interests of their funders in the states (chlorinated chicken people)used as a counter opinion to truth and facts in countless tv show, bit like tobacco, but like global warming .

There are some obvious, glaring signs of madness here, it’s the right wing that owns nearly all the press, campaigns similar to 1939’s Germany “will of the people “ “ enemies of the state” “anti immigrant” division based on wealth, benefit usage, gay marriage fake bees and over blown exaggerations similar to this era all come from the right.

By way of opinion, BT & Boris, this has risks too, during trade negotiations the US will want to us to lower our food standards, increase drug costs & I would guess under pressure from liberty & Comcast gain advantage in a restructuring of the UK’s telecoms industry, for various reasons not just money.

I’m guessing valuations will be minus debt then factor in pension deficit