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Hi Dathrilla; talkin and aspers,
Dathrilla - Many thanks for your Q and no, I now don't expect a business update ahead of the Half Year results in mid May 2024 - why - because we are now in their 'closed period' and it looks like Tui really adheres to this period where they don't disclose any further business information and ahead of the planned release.
If there is sense to be made of not posting last week, my assumption is the news yesterday of moving to the Prime Listing scenario 'trumped' such news and I guess for the BOD, yesterday's news was a big deal for them.
Mind you, what would be the odds that the BOD now updates later this week eh!!?? Genuinely don't believe they will
Hi talkin and aspers - So my assumption ref 'full news' on the delisting side of things ref the 24th June, will come our way at the Half Year results on the 15th May 2024. Assuming by then, Tui will have made all of the relevant comms and options through to our brokers and indeed, will be able to share likely broker costs to Tui of completing all of this over the weekend between the 21st - 24th June 2024
Hope this helps and GLA
As always balmus,
Huge thanks for sharing
Fitch Upgrades TUI Cruises to 'B+'/ Positive; Rates Proposed Notes 'B-
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/TUI-AG-470539/news/Fitch-Upgrades-TUI-Cruises-to-B-Positive-Rates-Proposed-Notes-B-EXP--46394789/
So the shares won't delist until June and we will be writing again with further information when we do have it.
As a business we do need further information regarding the event but when they do move over we will still be able to trade them
Talk………..i am with Halifax share dealing and likewise I have heard nothing regarding actions I need to take.
Really annoys me that an SP languishing at 680p ish has a real value to me at 68p ish...
TERP £8 +
I'm still waiting for an update from my broker Jarvis (X-O) on what will happen when this finally leaves the UK exchange. Can anyone here advise on what the options will be? Do they have to be sold before this date or automatically on the day of leaving? Thx in advance
Boya yep many of us in same situ travel shares have been a pain in the backside these last few years.
Nice to see this going steadily up
My 24k investment is now 16k
So just another 50 percent from here to break even then hopefully some more for a bit profit
Thanks for your input, Mike.
Do you still think we shall see a business update from the business?
Hi Marcinkus,
Many thanks for sharing.
Yes, as expected and previously shared, the Group is unable to pay a divi without 'completing' the KfW facility.
As we know, this has already come down from the 1.1 Billion in place at the end of last year and because of them issuing the sustainability bond last month.
So nothing to say that they can't and won't issue another bond in the coming months, which will clear the facility in totality and open up the gates for a divi - have to say, that I'd be hugely surprised if this doesn't happen in the coming months and a divi paid in December's full year results statement for 2024 - if not, then 2025 is pretty much guaranteed!
Also, taking a quick look at the main holders of stock - pretty much like what I see (not so sure about Goldman, but sure everyone has an opinion on them) and shared a while ago, that I particularly like Helikon as a main shareholder, who basically exists to find stocks around the world which offer 'huge value' and they then invest accordingly - from memory, think they took their position in the middle of last year, so clearly a great asset for them!
GLA
Reading the summary:
https://www.tuigroup.com/damfiles/default/tuigroup-15/en/investors/3_Share/Admission-FSE/TUI-AG---Summary-Document---Convenience-Translation.pdf-b88a98b7cd45813b7c8d2b9dc80be560.pdf
Important info to note:
Type, class, nominal amount and ISIN. The Shares are registered shares with a notional par value (the proportionate
amount of the share capital of each share) of €1.00. The ISIN of the Shares is DE000TUAG505.
Currency and number of shares. Our Shares are denominated in euros. As of the date of this Summary Document,
we have 507,431,033 Existing Shares and 74,583,729 Conditional Shares outstanding. All Existing Shares are fully
paid up and all Conditional Shares will be fully paid up at the time of issuance.
"Dividend and dividend policy. The terms of the syndicated loan agreement of our revolving credit facility provided by
KfW as a governmental lender, which exists in the amount of €550 million as of the date of this Summary Document
(the "KfW Facility"), generally do not permit us to pay a dividend until the KfW Facility is fully redeemed. Even if we
return to profitability, we will not be able to pay dividends for the financial year ending on 30 September 2024 as
long as the KfW Facility remains in place."
SO, from my understanding all shares from LSE will be just converted in € and we won't need to do absolutely anything and the only change will be that the corresponding value will be in €. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also interesting info about Alexey but that's for another post.
What dividend?
Does anyone know about the dividend on new shares at listing
Sp rising nicely now that we have left behind the millstone of appearing to be anchored in the UK!
Just reminder from TUI website „Subject to approval by TUI shareholders, the current timetable provides for trading in the Prime Standard market segment of the Frankfurt Stock Exchange to commence on or around 8 April 2024”
https://www.tuigroup.com/en-en/media/press-releases/2024/2024-01-04-tui-shareholders-to-decide-on-future-stock-exchange-listing-at-the-annual-general-meeting
Hi Stiperstones,
Just one other thing to share if I may - so I follow Simply WallStreet, as I find their analysis often pretty good, although as with any analysis, you have to take much with a pinch of salt etc etc.
So just for your ref, right now, they have a fair price value for Tui of £9.95 and reporting that the average analyst 1 year price is £9.49 - I'll take either of these as I'm sure most posters will to!
GLA and have a terrific weekend
Oh and sorry for raising any expectations ref Tui announcements - disappointed to say the least, but hey, assume we'll have good news to look forward to, as and when they decide to share
Hi Stiperstones,
Many thanks for posting and always welcome new analysis.
Guess my thinking would be:
Interesting that analysts rarely follow company guidance and for that I don't blame them, as Tui hasn't had a great record in the past, but in the last 18 months or so, they've clearly learned and during that time have beaten forecasts accordingly.
So at the end of last year when they presented their results, they stated that revenue for 2024 would increase by at least 10% and much more importantly to me, profits, would increase by AT LEAST 25% - and I put the last bit in capitals, because they did too and they reiterated that position at the Q1 results.
Morgan Stanley, when they upgraded the stock in February 2024, actually stated that they thought that the profit number growth was conservative and based on the Q1 results, they only had to grow profits by another 8% in the rest of the year, to deliver the 25% growth - hope that makes sense!
Finally and as you will have read numerous times, when the RI happened last March/April, the company valuation at that time, the TERP should have been £8.30. Now clearly for that to materialise, investors need the confidence to take the SP to that level, but for me, I have every confidence that Q2 numbers will be strong when they publish next month and it wouldn't be a surprise if they raise guidance too, and especially on the profit number growth.
Clearly just my thinking and GLA
First post here so please don’t shoot the messenger. And thanks to you all as I have been following this engaging chat. Found this in case anyone is interested:
https://simplywall.st/stocks/de/consumer-services/etr-tui1/tui-shares/news/improved-revenues-required-before-tui-ag-etrtui1-stocks-27-j
Make that 660!! Old habits….
Must say I’m relieved to see how well it’s holding up despite flat markets these last days. One might have expected a whole load of profit taking from those who bought in in last year. Markets still v flat yet the TUI train is retesting 560. Sign in my view of likelihood that it’ll continue to outperform wider markets once they continue their next chink upwards.
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Many thanks for the deep dive, Mike!
Hopefully they will follow suit (with Wizz air and Ryan sharing news) and publish a juicy story that will help the SP rise even more.
Hi Dathrilla,
So interesting Q and have checked back and for whatever reason, last year looks like the only time they released information specifically about Easter and of course some further information on how Summer was doing etc etc. Looking at the comms, which you can view in the link below, it may well have been that they were able to quote that they were taking 500k customers abroad, which of course is a decent 'round number'.
https://www.tuigroup.com/en-en/media/press-releases/2023/2023-04-06-tui-easter-holidays-2023-customers-prefer-sunshine-destinations
Before that of course you wouldn't expect anything between 2020 and 2022 and because of Covid etc.
2019 didn't have anything because in March of that year the MAX jets had all be grounded and so at that time is was all about getting in extra capacity and dealing with the 'panic' caused at that time
Couldn't see anything at all in 2018, but in both 2017 and 2016, they actually released a 'pre-closing statement' at the end of March sharing how things had progressed for the Winter and how Summer was progressing too.
So they've certainly used different methods over the years, but all comms complicated by Covid and the grounding of the MAX jets. Guess, we'll just have to see, but still hoping that they will issue an update of sorts in the next couple of days - that said, could of course be complicated this month by the Premier Listing scenario within Frankfurt and of course the delisting scenario too, so may simply decide to leave it all to the Half Year announcement - for me, hoping not and will be disappointed if 'no news'
Hope this helps and GLA