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So we can add the basics of trading shares to 'geopolitics' and 'contracts' to the "things Stackhigh has no f*cking clue about" list. This has been an amusing read.
I don't need to tiny, already fully locked & loaded 😉
A watched kettle never boils buddy
55p someday soon!!!
Quady - Dilution has occurred FOR THE ORIGINAL SHAREHOLDERS, as their % ownership of the company has halved.
That's why businesses offer a RIGHTS ISSUE, to allow existing shareholders to maintain their proportional ownership of the company and therefore their power.
This is GCSE Business Studies 101.
You were crying on the board yesterday at me responding to you and here you are trying to engage wifh me once again. Did tell you admin, but thanks for ignoring him.
Just cant help yourself can you tiny, you know exactly what you are up to and you need outing buddy.
END OF!
(and expect a pseudo sarcastic reply from the manchild)
Please stop clogging up this board with disruption.
Thanks.
Kat2008, you are running a close second for the title most unintelligent poster on here.
The company has not diluted shareholders stake.
Yes there is twice as many share's but the shareholders are the same.
Your argument is false.
Let's say you cancelled those extra million shares and retained the money.
You would say by your argument that nothing had changed and dilution was avoided.
But that's not true your shares are now two pounds a share.
I really don't think you understand this.
You're wrong Quady,
if the shares are £1 each and there are 1 million shares and you own 100,000 shares you own 10%
If you create 1 million shares of £1 each you may well have 2 million £1 shares in issue and the company may well be worth 2 million pounds but unless they gave you 100,000 shares you would still have 100,000 shares which is now 5% of the shares in issue. You have been diluted by 50% by volume,your OWNERSHIP of the company has halved even though your £100k is still worth £100k if the share price stays at £1 a share.
The company hasn't been diluted because it's theoretically worth twice as much because of the share issue but you own half as much by % so you as a shareholder have been diluted.
There is a difference, if you had a controlling share, say 40% before the share issue, you wouldn't any more.
Thankyou Jezzoo; you have also tried to explain the same thing I just wrote.
I hope Quady is able to understand your version better than mine.
But I fear that he is so autistic he is unable to relate to anything anyone else says, though.
I'm sure I read a rerate had commence here but can't remember who posted it?
Commenced*
Jezzoo dilution is where you end up owning less.
For example if shares were issued to give to directors you would be diluted as your stake would be worth less.
If you own ten percent of a million shares you're argument says you have lost money.
You haven't.
Let's try and explain this another way.
If you are permitted to purchase one share for every one you own according to you, you have not diluted.
That's correct but you have doubled your stake.
You are confusing control of a company with dilution, they are not the same.
Quady you DO own less of the company, it's just that your share of it is worth the same monetarily.
My argument most definitely does NOT say you've lost money !
read it again.
You have lost 50% of your SHARE of the company because the share count has doubled, but because the shares are still £1 a share your 100,000 shares are still worth what you paid for them.
You said "If you are permitted to purchase one share for every one you own according to you, you have not diluted."
If you are permitted to PURCHASE one share for every one you own you have now spent TWICE as much to own the same percentage of the company. If you don't spend anything then using your statement above you ARE diluted !
I'm not confusing anything
The SHARE price hasn't been diluted.
Your holding as a percentage of the shares in issue has been diluted by 50%.
Please read it again as you read what you wanted to see the last time.
Leave it Novice...try the filter button...I sleep easier and don't feel the need to respond to idiots...
Vintage QUADSWALLOP! I’ve had a good chuckle at that this morning
It’s his classic playbook
Make a stupid error
Double down on it
Realise it and try and squirm out by rubbing dirt in others eyes
Next bit when he’s still humiliated and can’t wriggle out is to ignore the thread for a few days and come back onto something else
SOLG closed at 9.86 on TMX...oddly quiet this morning...
Only £32k traded in the first 80 minutes...Offbook outnumbering Autotrades...
This happened last Wednesday and I thought then that the market might be expecting something...
Who knows...long overdue...
In fact TMX has closed anything up to 9% higher than London for at least the last 8 trading days...
And remember, Canada is a global epicentre for mining finance...
M22 9.14 9.28
T23 8.9 8.99
W24 8.72 8.99
T25 9.11 9.28
F26 9.33 10.17
M29 9.79 10.17
T30 9.2 9.86
W01 9.2 9.86
Quady not understanding dilution is up there with the funniest things I've read on this board. Earlier this week we had BBG not understanding at a UT was and now this. From someone who claims to have been investing for 40+ years too. Must have the luck of an Irishman.
It will come good here eventually.
You just have to have patience before one gets what they really want.
:)
Back to the 8’s today?
Only 29 trades in the first 2.1/2 hours...only 10 AT...total value £45k...
Is this it...soon...?
The discussion about dilution, accretion and shares outstanding is very illuminating as it tells me immediately those that understand finance and those that don't. I would filter anyone who doesn't understand as it brings into question all their opinions relating to a Solgold investment imo, but as I haven't seen any posts by someone who doesn't get it, I am assuming that I already have. So my judgement appears to be spot on!
SH, you state that 'when a company issues more stock, the existing shareholders 'own the cash', but a smaller share of the company'. Putting to one side the question of a Rights Issue, which allows existing holders to avoid dilution, you are right.
However, there's one fatal flaw in your argument - if we sell the 155m we are NOT issuing any more shares. They have already been issued.
You'll get there in the end.
Somehow I doubt that she will
Jerry, you're missing a treat.