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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-variant-was-detected-netherlands-before-s-africa-flights-2021-11-30/
And this should really set the cat amongst the pigeons. OK governments of the world, get out that one! The longer the travel bans, the more the loss of face when having to U-turn.
Oxford University says no evidence yet that vaccines won't protect against severe disease from Omicron
http://reut.rs/3pc07dA
https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-a380-removed-johannesburg/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation
Sunsurfer ****ed then
Fully agree BB.
But don't the Russians say Putnik cures cancer and aids too? The Astra jab is the best because it creates the long lasting T cell immunity. The others don't. And this is probably the biggest cover up in the history of medicine. The other jabs should have been phased out a long time ago and the whole world switched to Astra. But there is no money to be made from Astra. It is so big, it probably never make it into the real world. Wish the booster was Astra, we'll all be back with booster two in spring and I just hope by then it is an astra booster.
Yes, but AZ was given at cost, Moderna and Pfizer are for profit and backhanders
If sputnik vaccine works against omicron......doesnt that mean AstaZeneca works ))
I note there are a lot 'specialists' and 'scientist' popping up all over the media seemingly desperately trying to defend their lockdown and wait and see policy and working very hard to dismiss the SA evidence. Some newspapers are now on this, mass media having trouble burying it. There has been an almighty ****up with this one, most likely due to prejudice still around against SA. But the evidence is being widely circulated. I have a feelling there are enough people in the cabinet who will press for a complete backpedal at the first opportunity, not least the chancellor who has gone very silent. Is Rishi preparing for the pitch? Will he go for Boris? If he does and becomes PM, he will be the first non-white ever and the labour party will just melt. 2 women PMs and now a non-white. At this rate, the Tories will also have the first ever competent PM ever too>>>>>>>>>
Wobbles… the obese wurzul gummidge lookalike is out later speaking to his surfs. Let us hope between his Latin and love of rogerring pepper pig….. he starts one of his forgive me…. Forgive me….. forgive me….. forgive me….. I have fathered 13 children by 12 women and I f***** up the restrictions were wrong speeches.
This time they overreacted and far too quick. So the gods of TV were appeased. As ever, the politician believes if the gods of TV are happy, then the plebs will follow like sheep. Except the plebs have been showing a remarkable degree of independence for awhile now, Brexit, Trump, red wall seats. Boris has done what all the rest end up doing - becoming so vain about their legacy they seek assurance form the mass media and start bending to appease the gods of TV and forget about the people they are supposed to serve. Boris' time is now up. He needs to be removed and soon. He made a critical error thinking more about what the Today program might think rather than what was pragmatic. Bye bye Boris.
How does government admit they got it wrong and remove restrictions? They can't.....unless boosters numbers are so good because of what the government has done they can.
Smithy…. Totally agree Bozza is a poor example to the country. Still wobbling around several stones overweight. Does he still like a drink? Let’s hope not. In theory he is supposed to be running the country. Albeit he is clearly s*** at that.
It seems quite certain the varient is mild and governments are using it for own purposes
https://www.cityam.com/covid-death-rate-not-rising-swap-travel-restrictions-and-mass-hysteria-for-cautious-optimism-as-omicron-mutation-is-super-mild-variant-who-and-coronavirus-experts-say/
" Your ridiculous dogma and refusal to accept the situation"
Err.... I don't run the country [yet] so I am not responsible for current policy. Furthermore, you are living in a world where you have rather a draconian limit on resources. To the extent you are inventing limitations in order to apply your 'final solution'. As I said before, where are your delimintion lines? And once they are reached, who next? Will you be left alone on the planet with nothing more than your own reflection? It sucks the rest of the world's population doesn't live up to your ideals. But in eradicating those you see as unfit, be very careful you don't include all thoughs who are educating the bright young things. Especially where the off button is on that nuclear reaction. One of the failures of every new young generation is to believe that all the luxuries like heat, light, power and water just happens by some sort of magic. Designing, building, maintaining it all takes a lot of experience which only comes about through age and many continuing to pass on the knowledge well past retirement age. In deed, it was the Blair's bright young things generation that deferred nuclear power decisions, engaged in a bizzare anti-fracking head bang and left us with the headache to solve now, being dependant on others for our fuel and paying the price. And today's bright young things hysterical climate change devoeties, banning fossil fuel cars. Well the mess and break down of society that will bring is something I will have to live through too, but I will protect my turf - watch me. We'll see how long the 'young' last when the supply chains stop. There is a major collapse of society just a few years away now and looking at what the young generations are coming up with now, I really don't fancy your chances of survival for more than one year. When the water stops coming out of the taps, when the lights stop coming on, when the apples no longer appear in the supermarket [hint, look at the trees in autumn!!!]. The crinklies will have the last laugh!
Markets hate uncertainty, and this is precisely what we have now. No-one knows how much trouble the new variant is going to cause, and so it seems plausible that we will see heightened volatility on the markets until there is adequate data to better understand the lay of the land
Yes but we have to understand it and try to move with it to make money))
we can't change the government
Massive panic because 2 ain't enough but 4 will defeat the transformer varient. This country is being laughed at by its officials
So today - Boris PM press conference. Claim ownership for booster roll out acceleration - this will defeat the variant.
Should start to get more positive from Wednesday on ?
Disagree all you want.
Triage checklist when hospitals are overrun by gasping ageds, or instead, protect them, through vulnerability based lockdowns. They are the choices. No elective life saving surgery either should be cancelled to generate extra capacity for those who dont stay at home and are clinically vulnerable.
Whole population lockdown and further trashing later generations state finances isn't one of them. Your ridiculous dogma and refusal to accept the situation is not a mitigation to do the same, pointless, wasteful cr(p over and over again.
I definitely do not agree with these extremely aggressive points of view. I find them to be very dangerous and contrary to law. If somebody doesn't take advantage of the vaccine that is their prerogative and there behaviour should not preclude the rest of society going about it's business. But the flip side of that is true, those wishing to go about their business may not shut away others they don't judge as fit to share the same open space as them.
As far as pensions and future wealth provision goes, families used to look after their own and even aged relatives made a useful contribution to the household. It is actually the utilitarianism of the left that has resulted in aging relatives being manipulated to maintain independence when the families don't actually want that. This is why there is such a sharp rise in equity release, the transfer of wealth is underway well ahead of the reading of the will.
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But surely, being as these “old people” you refer to have already paid their “dues” (i.e. paid taxes into “the system” for 50 years or more), maybe they have more right to receive medical protection, given that you have chosen to bring up the subject of the monetary cost of providing what is “arguably” deemed to currently be an “adequate” level of health protection."
Here is the problem. If what you say is true, that previous generations paid their way, how is it, despite the huge demographic boomer bulge we have approaching retirement is it possible, we have 80% of private wealth held by the over 60 year group in the UK, and despite this, our national debt isnt positive, its over 2 trillion negative, and significantly growing month by month?
How is it that by a considerable margin, state pension benefit (yes, the state pension is a benefit) and the NHS gobble up the vast majority of departmental spending? Have a look at which generations consume that NHS and pension expenditure. It isnt my kids! They didnt pay enough into the system in the first place!
The older generations have quite clearly spent out the state finances, and expect this status quo to continue, no matter what the cost to later generations.
And again there is no reason for Fred and tilda to die. They just dont leave the house if they are covid vulnerable. National vulnerability based lockdown is the solution, not destroying wealth generation in this country, which has been destroyed enough by greedy boomers voting in a quality of life only they will get to enjoy, and later generations will have to pay for.
b-b, first of all, your taxes are paying forward, to the old NOW, you are not paying into a 'piggy bank account' for you to take from later, that will be the problem for the young generations. Any taxes you pay are for care now, not later. You will find that when you need to take from later, not a lot will be there as the tank is near empty now and the young are having a hard time filling it. I know that the current retirees are and will have it much better than I will when I retire, yet I am asked to pay more and more to an ever decreasing end amount (private pension). Why the fook is my money being paid to the old to have a good life now, knowing that when it comes to my turn to collect I'll be fooked?
Don't assume your taxes are to help those that come after you, they are paid to help those ahead of you.
"Why should my kids futures be screwed up to pay to protect old people"
Why should I be paying taxes to protect your kids? They are not my responsibility yet my taxes are spent in so so many ways to look after your kids, in the NHS, policing to protect them on the streets, education whether private or state, tax benefits for you [huh!] and the rest of the infrastructure from government coffers to provide a quality of life they won't find in many other places on the planet for free. Why am I , indeed why are any of us paying to provide your children any quality of life. Should we not put them on a plane and dump them in Kenya and let nature take its course - survival of the fittest?
Smithy, “ Why should my kids futures be screwed up to pay to protect old people,”
But surely, being as these “old people” you refer to have already paid their “dues” (i.e. paid taxes into “the system” for 50 years or more), maybe they have more right to receive medical protection, given that you have chosen to bring up the subject of the monetary cost of providing what is “arguably” deemed to currently be an “adequate” level of health protection.
“health protection” is more encompassing than merely the costs to provide medical remediation, it also covers the costs of whatever sociological protection measures that may be deemed “appropriate” to bring suitably robust preventative measures into play to prevent a collapse of our medical resources as might likely be witnessed through letting a virus run unchecked throughout the population.
It is a commonly accepted philosophy that “prevention is better than cure”.
Or perhaps I have misunderstood the crux of your argument, and the underlying message that you are putting across is that in a civilised society the ethics of providing an equal level of protection to all is inherently wrong, and it should be primarily based on a “survival of the fittest” basis ?
So perhaps you can clarify your stance, are you promoting a “civilised society” philosophy, or are you promoting that the human race would be best suited to regressing and adopting a “law of the jungle” philosophy ?
First of all, let's all just calm down and accept what is being said on here in not personal, nor should it be. People are just venting and that is healthy.
It is not a virus that is keeping our lives on pause, but worthless world 'leaders' that are corrupt. The virus will come and will go, when it is ready, not before. As humans we have evolved (some of us) to be able to fight off these, the infirm, old or immunocompromised will have it more tough, they are the one's that need to take care and pre-cautions, but not at the expense of everyone else. So, have a coffee, tea or whatever you need, know that this could all disappear at the behest of a few influential world leaders accepting that we must get on with it.