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I happen to know quite a lot about what goes on in the end of life decision tree. NICE by the way was an invention of the Blair government whereby they could palm off the politically hot decisions on what healthcare and medicines are available. Labour made huge headwinds hammering the Tories on a daily basis about healthcare rationing for over a decade. When they got into office and discovered just how horrifically expensive it would be to do what they had been asking for and finding there weren't even people around to deliver it, they invented things like NICE to put caps on treatments without the finger of cuts being pointed directly at them. It was a classic Blair/Brown smoke and mirrors.
Bozza is a disgusting fat body. He had months to shed the pounds before he got whacked by Covid. I’ve not seen him running for a while, perhaps someone needs to remind him that gluttony induced type 2 diabetes is not good for NHS capacity, or his ability to fight a future Omicron Delta infection?
You do understand that these decisions are made without patient consent on a daily basis within the NHS don’t you?
You do understand what NICE does, and what role QALY assessment has on their work?
Do you think patients get a say in that? Think you are going to be quite shocked if you actually bother to do some research.
People who hold such little value to life like you Smithy, are a danger to everybody. You have crossed over to a place where, in your mind, you have qualified harming and indeed killing off people. You are an extremely dangerous person and should be immediately taken into custody and committed. I support living wills where people lay down the conditions for their own end of life, more formally than often happens now, and support the idea of cliniques to terminate life as a matter of choice for terminal conditions. I do not support maintaining life during intensive suffering that will never be relieved. But it is by choice. Not by a Smithy dictat, who may live and who may die depending on whether you're having a good or bad day with your PTSD. Go back to your forces medic, show them your posts on here and consent to whatever intervention they think is necessary. Sorry for your troubles. I hope you can recover and rejoin society latter.
Smithy… Bozza lost a lot of grey matter when he had Covid… now he looks like werzel gummidge without the brain
Rules to be revisited in 3 weeks. So hopefully by then they've stopped playing with people and get bk on track.
It’s being done BB, because of typical voter demographic. If Boris could be re-elected by throwing granny to the wolves, he would.
Problem is Boris and Gov can’t row back on this now for a few days. / next week.
“We’ve investigated and scientists say the booster will give protection against variant”
If be interested to hear a solution from you that doesn’t pass the buck to later generations to pay. All I’m hearing is squeamishness and no recognition of the situation we find ourselves in BB.
b-b, Not condoning mass culling in any way, but when do you think 'end of life' should be? you do realise that we all die? End of life is when you live your whole life, then age takes it's toll, body does not recover from minor scrapes, illness's, pain throughout joints. this is life telling you that your time is running out. Compound that with inability to perform simple tasks, not being able to recognise people around you, dribbling, losing bowel control, these do not make for a dignified 'life', more of a mental torture chamber, yet we insist on artificially keeping people alive, to what end? Keep care homes in business?
Young kids are not dying of Covid.
People with an an average of 3 life limiting conditions and above average life expectancy are.
It just so happens that the Quality life years the elderly have left in them, particularly in the state they are when they become super vulnerable to Covid, is next to naught, therefore there is insufficient cost benefit to wet ourselves over something that has very little impact upon the rest of us.
And this anyhow can be avoided. By expecting pensioners, who have a social contract with those of us that pay their way in taxation, to stay out the way until a solution has been found. Vulnerability based lockdowns only. No nightclub closures, no stopping university education.
Accept that you can’t pop down the pub, go to bingo, go on that saga cruise. That is the right thing to do for the collective good of society.
Jtan, I find the response to the variant completely wrong. It shows the world is a long way from returning to rational thinking, if it ever was at such a level to begin with. The human being is a very flawed animal. Boris has got this very wrong, he is playing to the media gods gallery rather than pragmatic considerations. The policy and reaction is wrong, especially since those involved in SA are feeding back info by the hour.
And for masks, well Scotland has mandatory mask wearing. England does not. Who is now reporting multiple cases of the variant?
"Stay at home then. Why should my kids futures be screwed up to pay to protect old people, when they can do that simply by not leaving the house?"
You messed that up a bit but ....
So you think all children younger than your own that do not meet some sort of able bodied threshold are also to be culled? Does the colour of skin matter? Religion? Gender [real or imagined]? Do you dream of a puritanical arian landscape by any chance? I find you Smithy, to be a thoroughly repulsive individual. You need to be incarcerated immediately to protect the community. You have expressed intent to rid the planet of old people and in my opinion are such a danger to society you should be committed.
Anyway, the route on the market has resumed, albeit in slow motion now. The hysterical world reaction and the failure for signs to emerge that U-turns are even being considered is now going to settle into the markets. This time round though, the lockdowns are being openly questioned and the damage done will most likely inform to delay future lockdowns as it becomes accepted by the 'slow' scientists that the initial observations of Omicron were correct. I think there has something to do with the source being SA and there is a lot of residual anti-SA resentment from the apartheid error hanging around. So the SA input has been largely dismissed. Then we have the problem with slow science. Modern scientists are no longer high brow intellectuals who will change tack with ease. They are like slow lumbering tankers that have to be stroked and persuaded to consider and then accept what they previously BELIEVED in. It is far less these days about fact and much more about fitting the data to fit your desired outcome and bias. The whole climate change crap is testament to that. Note how many carefully selected scientist gob ****es selected for interview are able to instantly accept the notion there is a major problem and they must be given immediate control, but refuse point blank information that would lead to relinquishing that control and instead are insisting they must control the narrative for at least two or three weeks. As with a lot of things, this has more to do with the vanity then the science.
ma'rabid, that's the best you can come up with? Education was clearly wasted on you then I see. Shame.
I love how the elderly and boomers throw around the phrase snowflake, until they realise that their behaviour and put downs pretty much mean the young are increasingly aware of the sh8t deal they have been handed, and would be more than willing to throw granny under a bus to enhance our futures. We learnt well from our parents.
Who is the snowflake now?
fordm : IDIOT
Stay at home then. Why should my kids futures be screwed up to pay to protect old people, when they can do that simply by not leaving the house?
OK. This is a little further over the right than I had ever thought before. I'm not snowflake but some comments here are far to radical for my liking.
Bsinkers, No, it's not the views, it's what is happening to people by governments that is how Nazi Germany started. Mandatory masks, vaccines forced onto people, if you don't get that then it's on you. Saying we are artificially keeping the old and infirm alive is not how Nazi Germany started.
If I saw a dog urinate and soil itself, attack its loyal owner of 15 years and cost a fortune in vets bills, I don’t think many rational people would pick continued treatment over Attestupa, sorry, I mean euthanasia.
Pretty sure some of these views are how Nazi germany started
Jtan, 100% agree, I've said this all along, the old need to die, it's their destiny, these poor old folk that are barel able to stand, take a leak or even put food into their mouths in care homes need to be allowed to move on. We are keeping them alive and sacrificing everyone else, how does that even make sense?
Smithy, your party trick of wishing older people be killed off with is becoming rather boring.
Clearly you have a big issue at the front of your mind. You are afraid of dying. It is ever present in your mind. It intrudes into your posts in the most obscure fashion. Your own mortality dominates your whole mind. That much is apparent.
The irony is, you are the one who will stress yourself with your fears to such an extent, you will beat all us to the grave. We will give you a good send off at the dog and duck though, you can be sure of that.
To be fair, until a care home whacks it with the new strain, and we see a proper cluster amongst those short finals to the pearly gates anyway, we won’t know whether this is a problem in the west.
Africa doesn’t have many care homes in the provinces. If you get to 70, beating malaria, dengue and HIV your entire life, you are pretty much at lottery odds.
This is a point that people need to focus on. Demographics are not uniform the world over. On the flip side, we don’t know whether the case rate has shot up in SA due to their exceptionally large, untreated immunosuppressed community there (40% have HIV/AIDS in some SA regions).