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I looked in this morning to read back over some strange and unwelcome developments over the weekend.
A number of widely respected posters on this BB have together done an enormous amount to bring the facts behind this company to the fore over a number of years. Many of us have greatly benefitted from this shared knowledge, selflessly given. In my own opinion, this is a small but welcome example of society working at its best.
Sometimes the tone of posts is not what we would like, sometimes the opinions are not ones we share, sometimes the style of posting may differ from our own. But FFS, if the content is informative, should we not just gloss over these minor downsides? It's simple to skip over any posts we choose.
There are disrupters too. They are easy to recognise. And simple to ignore, although robust rebuttals are often important and valuable to prevent their intentionally misleading views from taking hold.
For some, BMN has well-defined plans in place and, for them, a wider appreciation of the company's value is only a matter of time. For others, the company has been too opaque as to its plans and progress. Can we not respect both viewpoints as having some validity?
Whether our management is, through inexperience or whatever, paying inadequate attention to PR, or whether it has other priorities, or whether they are following an intentional strategy of maintaining a low profile at this time for some unclear reason (my own hunch), we cannot clearly say.
But when the frustrations rise to such an extent that key people here feel aggrieved by the views of others - who share the SAME vision, the SAME passion, and the SAME belief in the company and its management - we all suffer.
Can I urge that ALL who believe in this company - and in particular those who are presently feeling unfairly aggrieved - take some time out, and then let us return to business as usual asap.
Otherwise only the disrupters win.
And where on Earth is the sense in that?
Cordially
Lionel
Lionel, my advice fwiw would be, relax. No posters on this BB are ever likely to affect the SP.
Anything posted here is after the fact. in other words, market moving info is already out there before BB's get it and the SP has already reacted.
Anybody really in the know doesn't bother with BB's to pass info on in the way that concerns you.
If its still upsets you then I guess your other choice is to stop reading BB's (which is not the worst any of us could do!)
All the best
wyndrum: I agree with you that the posts here are unlikely to have much influence on the share price, at least directly. My point was rather that the background research and factual posts here are of ENORMOUS value in assisting small PIs, like myself, to gain insight and confidence in the fundamental and long-term merits of holding BMN. Apologies if my post was unclear.
Cordially
Lionel
LionelGreen,
Thanks for your post which feels like the perfect message after the strange weekend we've just had on this bb. Perfectly balanced and perfectly articulated.
I do believe that what's on this bb is important to some degree because there will be many prospective investors who look at bulletin boards early on when starting to research a company and can be put off rather easily. This is why I've always been keen for the bb to be as positive as possible and focused on what matters.
I apologise for getting distracted from that focus and "shooting from the hip" over the weekend. Sorry.
Now let's get back to focusing on what's important.
Onwards and upwards : ) And thanks again, Lionel.
Libero I would agree with pointing out the positives as this will help attract and sell BMN's wonderful story and potential to new investors. However, any potential investor worth their salt, having read and understood the fundamentals, will possibly wonder why this potential and good news isn't captured in our SP that is currently declining, particularly when much on AIM is forward looking and sentiment driven, and with other businesses in the sector showing an increased SP, along with increasing vanadium prices. This 'unexplained' situation may result in investors holding off, or simply not investing. Understandably, reading a forum for debate such as this may help explain matters.
'Debate' in cordial tones about the less positive aspects, or dare I say the negative aspects of BMN, may actually have a positive impact on a potential investor or re-assure existing investors. Sub-optimal comms is not exclusive to BMN, so hearing of this being the only downside I have heard or read against solid fundamentals and huge potential, would not put me off investing. Indeed, it would allay my fears somewhat - comms is relatively speaking easier to remedy than many other aspects of a business.
However, there are some who would wish to turn us into 'stepford' investors, whereby only the positives can be discussed and anything vaguely negative is treated as voldermort-esque. Rather than provide reasoned counter debate, or acknowledging areas for improvement, retorts such as (paraphrased) "so you think you can do better than the BoD", "why mention it on here, e-mail the company" or "you can either stay invested or you can sell up" is not debate but simply attempts to silence. I absolutely get the idea of not trashing the company you are invested in but this shouldn't prevent reasoned debate with agreement to disagree in cases.
Can I make it clear that when I talk of those who point out the negatives I am not referring to our cycling chum and other such trolls. I'm referring to genuine investors, ie if someone as positive, and one of the first to defend BMN, such as Sanchez starts to comment on a negative aspect, it may be worth listening to as he/she is no troll.
Bugerov, thank you for articulating so fluently what I believe is the view of the vast majority of people who read this board.
BP
exactly @Bugerov .... well articulated (perhaps I am being a being long in the tooth and lower in patience !)
Bugerov I note the recs to your posts suggest that some here agree with you. However I hope that they have also understood the misinformation in your post and the rather questionable ‘stepford’ comment.
This bb regularly debates a wide range of issues and almost always both sides of any discussion are represented. If you are well read on this bb you should know this. To suggest otherwise would be a lie.
My point is that the REPEATED raising of the same negative point is potentially harmful to sentiment and achieves nothing, particularly as the only substantial negative that many here agree on is that PR is not as good as it could be.
The PR issue has been raised and debated many many times over the years. Can you point to any substantial change this approach has made to BMNs strategy? I doubt it very much.
If those debating a point such as this genuinely want better PR then mindlessly repeating the same complaints on the bb with no detectable result is perhaps not the best way forward I am sure you would agree. Therefore if that is not working then a new approach is required. In my opinion if you have a serious issue it is best to raise it directly with the company.
Now if there are REAL negatives about the way BMN conducts its business and that seriously threaten its viability or potential as a good long term investment I am all for debating those points. Perhaps you can suggest what they might be because at present I don’t see them.
What I do see are many reasons to be very optimistic about the future of BMN and as this is quite a complex business that information should be constantly presented on this bb so that potential investors can fully understand the opportunities. As far as I am concerned this is one if the most important functions of a bb such as this.
As for the current share price I think you would be very naive to think that it is a true reflection of BMNs performance. Other factors are clearly dominating and they have been extensively discussed, including large sellers(fact), shorting (fact) and market manipulation by mms (not so easy to establish but some have strong suspicions supported by evidence).
Let’s face it the odds are stacked against private investors. A bb like this allows the dissemination of information on good investment opportunities in ways that didn’t exist say 30 years ago. Let’s use this opportunity to support our investment in this very exciting company and push back against those forces that would seek to take our money from us.
Nobody is trying to shut down reasoned debate. It occurs almost every day on this bb, much of it supported by detailed evidence and research. But unnecessarily negative comments that are damaging to sentiment, particularly when we need new investors to help shift the share price, MUST be challenged.
And to those who think comments on a bb don’t make a difference I say nonsense! I first invested here after a reference elsewhere brought me to the BMN bb and info that helped me decide to invest. Over the years I have had thanks from people for my comments helping them to invest or not to sell during difficult times. Also ask any troll, paid or otherwise, why they spend their precious time on bbs if their activities make no difference!!!!
What is written on these bbs does influence investors decisions. How much that affects the share price I don’t know.
Can't disagree, Bugerov. Well put.
Pdub "My point is that the REPEATED raising of the same negative point is potentially harmful to sentiment and achieves nothing, particularly as the only substantial negative that many here agree on is that PR is not as good as it could be."
Said points have to be repeated for as long as they are pertinent as you never know when an investor is viewing the board for the first time.
Negative comments should be challenged, but so should ludicrous comments such as "tik tok BOOM", "this will be £1.00 by the end of the month" etc. When new investors read that litany of unsubstantiated tripe, they'll think BMN is full of mindless rampers and immediately turn away.
If negatives can be damaging, then so can positives. Extreme opinions are never healthy, either way.
Wow! I think there are some here taking this BB way, way too seriously!
Any new investor looking at this BB to make a share price moving purchase is, how can I put it... unlikely?
"When new investors read that litany of unsubstantiated tripe, they'll think BMN is full of mindless rampers and immediately turn away."
Who cares? People don't invest based on the speculation of strangers on the internet. And if they do they would probably be better off buying a scratch card
I agree, who cares. Nonsensical ramping/deramping needs to be abolished either way - it's not information worth sharing, and neither do we need individuals patrolling the board and manipulating the discourse one way or the other.
Unfortunately, we still appear to have a big seller selling. It's a frustrating time to be a holder, but we're just going to have to be patient and hope the board picks up on the message regarding poor comms.
You are correct Pdub. You certainly influenced me. I do not agree with a lot of your opinions, but I respect your judgement of other people. It was your comments of meeting Fortune in person that re-inforced my belief in this company or at least trust in its management. A big factor for me. So thank you. But I would not trust anything said on a b/b without research, and damn those that do and don’t.
This rampy OTT cheerleading is as off putting for some as the moans. Too good to be true, usually means it is. Anything printed on the b/b is up for ‘debate’ and I am looking for the truth in my investment. The outlook for BMN gets better and better all the time in my eyes, but I am happy to hear negatives to see if they have any validity. As long as people can control themselves and remain civil. I know it is easy to react quickly, without thought. People can be passionate about their investments and beliefs. But I want them to tell me how or why, not just that it is, or will be, as a fact. A few negative comments on an otherwise positive b/b with lots of quality info, has no real impact on SP surely? If anything, a busy b/b usual indicates a traders share, but it is soon apparent that most are fans here, dissecting the minutia.
I defended comms the otherday, but conceded they can always be better. I do not see it as a high priority myself. I have seen the company address the problem a little by little over the last year but it will never be good enough for somebody anyway. It is ‘my’ frustration, that others cannot see the value in what is actually dangled in front of them now, concrete, without all the added extras that the company is opaque about. Looking a gift horse in the mouth! I guess I was just expressing that. But the board is here to look, prod and poke not just advertise. “Is there life in it!?” – A cry from the back.
I wish you all good fortune!
A lot of poster's on this BB never offer up any research or information, all they do is moan about other poster's, it really is pathetic.
No wonder our super sleuths have moved on to better platforms were genuine research is shared and debated.
What valuable information or research do you provide?
"Max buy 100 shares"
"Gone blue now"
"HL won't quote me for more then 500 shares"
... wow, essential reading.
I don't need to know the chemical composition of a VRFB to make an investment decision either. There's only one super sleuth to be grateful for and we all know who that is.
Unbelievable......... I rest my case.
Whoa! Loudspeaker delivers the porn! The vanadium prices. And I am thankful to him!
Pdub let me start by wishing you well in your fight with ill health.
I won't go through your post para by para but would point out I agree with an amount of what you're saying: I agree we shouldn't ‘trash’ the company (but I hope we can differentiate ‘trashing’ from ‘discussing areas for improvement’). I too am positive about BMN. I agree forum users should highlight the positives. To be clear, as I note you have started a different thread that focuses on the business itself, the crux of my post was about how debating the negatives/weaknesses of a business ‘could’ actually have a positive impact on investor sentiment (paras 1 & 2) and how I personally believe there have been instances whereby such discussion of negative aspects of the business have been stifled, or attempts have been made to stifle/shut down (para 3).
I can only assume your objections would be to para 3. Maybe I wasn’t clear, I’m not suggesting there are attempts to silence ‘all’ debate, but I believe there have been instances when this was the case, and I provided the kind of comments (paraphrased) that I believe aimed to achieve this. Hopefully, this will clear up any potential misunderstanding and lead to the removal of the suggestion I’m a liar. Further, I’m unsure what in my e-mail was misinformation as the majority of my comments were based on my personal opinion of conduct on the forum. If you still disagree with me I can only assume you believe there have been no instances of attempts to stifle debate. This being the case, I’ll respectfully disagree with you and leave it there.
Best wishes.