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Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a personal attack as a diversion
This is what the pump brigade have ramped up the intensity of, then ask yourself why
Genuine debate is stifled, such as below
Both flow tests from a rational POV have been disappointing, the market has reacted accordingly, despite an exceptional job in polishing the turd by 88e
The duration of the oil cut phase in both tests, failed to reach a point of sustainable flow, before being prematurely terminated
14 to 16 hrs of oil cut is still in an unstable mode where the flow of hydrocarbons is influenced by the initial fracturing, where on each fracture plain, rock has literally been split, so releasing the contents of each split pore. This will flow to surface as the injected water used to fracture the rock returns, it is not representative of a flow from the rock matrix itself.
That comes later as the rock itself allows its contents to very pass through it highly resistive structure, then it becomes a sustainable flow, the object of every flow test. 88e would shout sustained flow from the roof tops had it been achieved, and the numbers looked good. The market would have recognized it
Those that use the initial disturbed flow period to assess future sustainable flows, are going to be disappointed
That said even in this unstable flow period the results were poor, 4 barrels in 16 hours is never going to be commercial
The USFS has a better, but still poor flow rate, but also a very high co production of gas, that will be a long term problem
It turns out to have been a very poor choice by 88e to rush these tests and finish with insufficient flow test time in the critical phase of oil cut to reach a sustained flow, (The season was long enough, they were late to start)
Now they go into their next capital raise with an incomplete result, investors will be asked for funds, on 24.8 plus 4 barrels of oil production, and spun up numbers like the 70 bopd, based on a 30 minute surge of 1.55 bbls, and an equally spun, unspecified time period, 50 bopd flow rate from the SMDB, from it total 16 hrs production, in which 4 barrels are produced
Investor111 : 14:37
I rest my case. Not only an idiot but a parrot to boot
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Scot126 - do you have a life? You spend hours on the 88e forum when you hold no position. Really weird. Your live a sad life.
01:34 then 02:21 then 03:40 then 03:43 then 05:53 then 06:10 then 06:17 then 06:26 then 06:50 then 06:57 then 07:17 then 08:54 then 09:22 then 13:24
After my exhortation to stop abusing olderwiser and for forum members to "read the information contained in his posts; interrogate the content; investigate the veracity of the information; follow the subsequent conclusions and acknowledge there is always more to learn from sector veterans" let's examine how the forum responded.
02:21 â reject the personality, no interest in the facts of the 88E investment case.
03:40 â attempt to damage credibility of me and olderwiser without straying into the facts of the 88E investment case.
03:43 â rejects chrisev1 inappropriate response.
05:53 â reply to fact-based point by Rabito57 is met with anti-science interpretation seeking to reassure himself, without a scintilla of evidence, of the robustness of the 88E investment case. Evidence-less explanation used to reject Rabito79âs factual content. Polite vote of thanks.
06:10 â 75% of the post discusses other posters and the remainder is a repetition of more anti-science nonsense.
06:17 â message to another poster.
06:26 â message to another poster.
06:50 â personal abuse, no interest I the facts of the 88E investment case.
06:57 â agrees with personal abuse.
07:17 â not interested in the facts of the 88E investment case, only the content of other posters.
08:54 â criticises everyone, lol. That said, doesnât on the face of it express any interest in the 88E investment case?
09:22 â personal abuse, no interest in the facts of the 88E investment case.
13:24 â personal abuse, no interest in the facts of the 88E investment case.
The usernames donât matter. Look at the content. This is a deeply unserious reaction to genuinely consequential news from 88E this week. You havenât seem Olderwiser or Rabito79 or me behave in that manner. Respond to our content by fact-checking us, going through the scientific conclusions, going through the working of calculations, asking for sources or citationsâŠ.quit the personal abuse please.
And for the umpteenth time, just because someone like Olderwiser writes content which has a negative bearing on *your* chosen investment does *not* mean he is lying or making stuff up or indulging in schadenfreude or working in a boiler room conspiracy.
I can promise you that the professional fund managers, analysts, corporate brokers, corporate financiers, bankers do not behave like the vast majority of posters on this forum. Maybe ask yourselves why that is?
Triumph1 - I am a holder in PANR and 88e and have no idea why Scott and Older have been on this board as they hold no interest in the 88e stock. They are an embarrassment. My mind boggles what they are posting for other than rattling other peopleâs feathers.
08:54
Just checked your past posting history, enlightening.
âIn the presence of an expert in a specific field?â đ
Iâve often wondered in what field you jokers are experts (other than Googlology of course).
Which Alaskan drilling company did OldGeezer work for exactly? âŠyeah, thought as much
Neither Older âŠ.. nor wiserâŠ.
Just repetitive posting âŠâŠthought id try the same
This BB is jokes, think it even rivals the height of the HE1 madness recently.
Keep up the good work rampers and derampers - I enjoy periodically checking in for a chuckle even though itâs the same sh*t, different day.
I think if I had to explain this BB (and the majority tbh) it would be âno one has any idea whatsoever, none of it affects the SP anyway, but if someone doesnât provide the confirmation bias you seek there will be a series of escalating responses. When one side is ultimately proved right they will brag, when the other is proved wrong they will silently retreat never to be heard from againâ.
Entertaining though
Why donât folks just put him in ignore
Well said Triumph1. I still think they will carry on but letâs see.
I could not agree more, someone had to finally say it as it is. Self righteous and arrogant, may I personally add the word sanctimonious.
Far from imparting his supposed vast knowledge in a way that would be considered, friendly and helpful it is imparted in a thoroughly patronising way. This discussion board was in essence completely taken over, I have no idea to this day why someone not invested in a share would spend so much time on it's discussion board. As for his Older's flying monkey Scot - well both are cut from the same cloth.
We all value information however the frequency and tone of deliverance has been as you rightly say completely disruptive to the harmony of this board.
Triumph1, very impressive post, I take my hat off to you ;)
Fantastic comeback chrisev, NOT, a bit embarrassing.
Indeed. you and your alter ego olderwiser have almost single handedly turned both 88e and PANR boards into a complete and utter s***shows. And for what? Your opinions still mean jack squat! Your endless repetitive posts seriously rub people up the wrong way. Very very abrasive, non constructive, disrespectful, self-righteous and arrogant. Terrible traits. You two should be ashamed. How the f do you expect people to react when you two constantly bombard the board with the same BS day in and day out? You expect civility from others when you treat their personal choices with such discontent? Who do you think you are? You have lost a lot of money already on PANR, the market still values 88e on a per barrel basis higher and you still have ZERO explanation for this despite for years you saying this will change. Seems like you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are, and you have made some very poor choices yourself! Ironically, if you spent more time watching PANR, maybe you could have actually traded and made money with your self proclaimed analytical prowess (trying not to spill my drink with laughter). Anyone could have told you PANR would drop back from its 40p high last week. After all, making money is what we are all here for is it not? Perhaps you forgot that?
You are fooling nobody by disgusing your hundreds of posts here as "relaying facts" and naturally self anointing yourselves as guardians of the "inferior PIs who are too stupid to make decisions for themselves", and defenders of the faith that is PANR. In nearly 10 years on this board, i can honestly say you two are up there as the one of the worst disruptors. Far far worse than any "ramper" could ever be.
Olderwiser has been shown to relay false information on several occasions, notably how when the photo of the gas flare appeared, posted by a respectable member of another forum, olderwiser automatically dismissed it as fake with zero evidence. Olderwiser was also attempting to convince everyone that the upper SFS was a complete duster because of how some RNS's were worded.. If that is not disruptive, abrasive and ultimately WRONG, then what is?
In this world, you tend to treat how one is treated scot! When you throw thorns, dont expect roses in return, then act thick as to why others are so hostile towards you both. From now on, every post you make that is repetitive in nature will be reported for disruption to the general peace and harmony of the board because you seriously disrupt the flow, and posting in very bad faith. I would recommend everyone do the same, and eventually these posters will recieve the permanent ban they deserve!
Theres a way to go about spreading wisdom and knowledge in a far more respectable manner. The way you two have gone about this is dispicable and completely uncalled for.
No I donât think so. You both do the same. Shameful.
23:48
chrisev1 - here's an idea for you. When you see "olderwiser" is the author of a post, just swap in your mind his username for "magpie5" and read the content, taking it at face value. Open your intellectual curiosity to reading the information contained in his posts; interrogating the content; investigating the veracity of the information; following the subsequent conclusions and acknowledging there is always more to learn from sector veterans.
On the presumption you're not a dentist, chrisev1, your conduct on this forum suggests you'd fancy undertaking your own root canal treatment! C'mon man, away from this forum you will surely have recognised many occasions in your life when you were in the presence of an expert in a specific field? An expert who made you realise your knowledge of the subject matter was amateurish in comparison?
Think, chrisev1, think. How many times has a listed company had to publish a slide pack and a "further transparency" RNS within a few days of the initial announcement? olderwiser spotted something didn't add up within a couple of hours of the SMD-B results. And if you don't think his analysis didn't prompt a veritable tsunami of questions to 88E management from shareholders around the world then you're being wilfully naĂŻve.
Please stop abusing olderwiser and others. It's contemptible behaviour. Just because you don't like him relaying facts which challenge, and in many cases demolish, your poor understanding of the 88E investment case does not make him the bad guy. I continue to be amazed at the vitriol displayed towards him when your anger ought to be directed chiefly at Dave Wall, Erik Opstad and the previous board members, and secondly at the current bosses for trying to spin like whirling dervishes the disappointing data from the two flow tests at Hickory-1.
Whatâs wrong with this guy. I have never known anyone with as much anger against 88E. Whatâs his problem.