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"I think we WILL see this SP back to £4.50 within a FEW DAYS.

Really?

Has been an interesting development today which led to the THG share price finishing the day 1% up...

Not odd really. I think it shows leadership to his troops. I'm doing this scheme, you all can do it too etc...

He's taking part in the share incentive scheme that is open to most of Ocados employees. The government allow these schemes so that employees can invest in and benefit from their businesses success. If you hold the shares for a long time the tax you pay on gains is reduced. There's a limit as to how much you can invest in the scheme per month. I imagine £144.72 is his limit.

Misunderstanding. Yes I know that. Many blame different algorithmic trading strategies for undermining and causing share falls. Thought you were going down that route..

"or at least comeback when the algorithms have been turned OFF !!"

You are pointing to algorithms as causing the current decline?

Pokerchips I have great respect for you, you have a good business brain but blaming algorithms for a -60%+ decline is very simplistic. The problems are far deeper than that.

I'm stating it as many here are seemingly happy with his interviews. I think there could be change in the short term. Will be interesting to see how things are addressed.

Pokerchips,

He needs to understand those weaknesses and not play to them. Limit unnecessary interviews at crucial times if you have a propensity to rant under stress.

Strengthen the advisors around you to build on/cover the weaknesses. As he's so powerful within THG will he take advice from others tho? Is it his way or the highway?

I've looked over the financials. For me it's the current management issues that lead me to pass on investing currently. Following with interest

I don't know it all, I want to understand more that's why I'm here. More questions than answers currently.

Mando,

He's given 2 very poor presentations/interviews lately. The Oct 2021 investor day coupled with the GQ interview. The city are starting to see through him.

It's good you are happy but in general THG shareholders should be very unhappy currently. Changes are needed to regain trust and realise THGs potential..

I think in an interview you focus on the strength of the business. Focus on where the business is now and how it will grow in the future. Blaming others is weak. Shorts attack when there are issues. As a leader you should focus on rectify the issues, taking away the oxygen from the shorts..

Yes, he's right. Most people on this forum understand that though. For a leading CEO not to understand it is surprising to say the least.

You were right at that point. MKS have strong management in place and it has delivered of late.

Not convinced you are right again. Am following with interest...

Trojan,

You may be right. I do love potential which is why I'm looking this company over. To deliver the potential you need a strong and focussed management team. Currently I do not have faith in THGs management. When that changes will be the moment I look to invest..

Mando,

Softbank have far more vested interest in Autostore than THG. SoftBank currently have a £145m stake in THG. SoftBank have a current £5bill stake in Autostore. SoftBank invested in Autostore first. I believe they see potential in THG but I think they looked upon the investment in THG as a hedged bet as whilst they may lose in THG share value they could gain in additional contracts/revenue for Autostore.

Autostore is far more of a focus for SoftBank than THG.

Good points Pokerchips. From where we are today it is an extreme longshot that SoftBank take up their existing option on buying into Ingenuity. Best to just disregard it.

Pokerchips, looks like we agree SoftBank will not take up their option on Ingenuity.

SoftBank bought 40% of Autostore in April 2021 for just over £2bill

Autostore currently has a £11.8bill market cap

That gives SoftBank around a 140% return on their Autostore investment so far in the months. £3bill profit.

If I were SoftBank I would currently be pressuring THG to pass more customers to Autostore. Knowing that currently THG management will want to do all they can to keep SoftBank on their side..

SoftBank wont be hit hard by the fall of THG. They own 6.6% of THG, also own 40% of Autostore. THG will be pushing a lot of new clients to Autostore benefitting Softbank. Autostores IPO and performance afterwards has been a great success.

Astutely SoftBank chose to have an option on buying into Ingenuity at a later date. The option gave them options if Ingenuity was a great success.

They will not be taking up that option.

Those who are invested in Rivian believe the company to have an extremely profitable future ahead of them in years to come. If the lofty profit forecasts change then the SP will get hammered. If Rivian live up to their billing then the share price could rise even higher.

When you buy a share you buy a slice of its current revenues/ profits and also a slice of all the future years revenue/profits.

Generally you need big shareholder backing for these growth companies to succeed. Ocados 2 biggest shareholders control 25% of the company. They bought before IPO and at IPO at around £1 a share. They have acquired a little but haven't sold over the years, even in the great peak of late last year.

This cast iron backing had helped Ocado prosper, helped it ride the countless waves/short attacks there have been.

Matt may not have understood the shorting scenario/setup /possibilities prior to the IPO but surely he should have someone around him who would teach him? If I had his wealth I would absolutely hire some of the best banking brains to tell me what I would be getting into regarding an IPO.

Crying about the situation fools the amateur but those who have the best market knowledge smell blood (a shorting opportunity) when they hear those interviews. If you deliver on results and clearly communicate your companies strategy/ vision then the shorts quickly scuttle back under their rocks if you do it well enough..