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I refer you to my previous message.
You're obtuse at the best of times. I have just telephoned them and talked to John Depasquale - the fundraising HAS happened, he confirmed. and it's a pure bookkeeping situation about sharelist.
Wait and see.
Cheers Green/Brond
Mr OAPk.. I'm with you on not following a positive mantra without question, but your postings have taken on a glib, self-satisfied flavour since you sold (most).
Bit naughty really, and certainly an unseemly characteristic, as you weren't even prepared to answer your own question.
So reading between the lines of your ever -cryptic teasing ! I'm guessing that Allenby called you to offer more shares because they didn't have the full take up?
For heavens sake, just cut the BS and say, man!
Can't do with all this cognitive meandering, teasing and one-upmanship.
If you've got something to say just say it!
Tu es un provocateur, Monsieur OAPk!
In context, yes I would believe you if you said Allenby called - depending on your background and previous investment scale, that's how brokers work.
I know quite a few people on the brokers circuit from a few years ago.
So, if you said that, and using quite upfront (if a little oblique at times) , then I would believe you.
Why would I say I'd called Bill Behnke if I hadn't? I've said I got nothing basically. There appears to be only one person who knows he was in the Cayman Islands ..me. Call him or TM and ask about this for verification.
Calling people like that is no skin off my nose since I interviewed about 50,000 people over 17 years. It's a phone number, you ring it, and someone answers. Simple.
The only trick is the confidence to do it.
Direct question OAPk..
Have you called Allenby up about this or are you speculating ?
(I did call them up early last week but no one answered- and I didn't follow up on it, got caught up in other stuff.. however that was to discuss more general things
Ok chaps. Fair points.
I still have quite a chunk of shares, but I had too many for my own comfort.
As far as conversations , Green, I think we're on different wavelengths here. I always learn something from every conversation.
And if I have a thousand conversations and only learn a snippet from each, then the sum of the parts can be significant. Plus I enjoy talking to people and learning from people.
Anyway all I can say is that is my experience, and I was successful in my realm. Other people have their own talents and experience, but I'd always say be open-minded in every conversation you have.
Go on, Oapk..
Just seen your Melon comment...brain not attuned yet! Think I need more literal explanation..der
I “expected” that reply, Green!
If I had a penny for every time I’ve heard the phrase: “What’s the point, you’ll never get anywhere, no chance.” I’d be a very rich man.
Expectation limits outcome. I’ve had some great success in the past with “impossible” conversations.
It’s not just the words, but the tone and possibility the subject branches out into new territory.
Eg. Maybe I could have picked up something from him being in a Board meeting in the Cayman Islands. What company? Why there? That time. Then you can jigsaw build a picture.
I once had a conversation with a CEO who sounded extremely flat on the phone, and I ‘felt’ something was wrong. He quit that week. Did he actually tell me anything? No. But I learned something v important from his voice alone.
Is it “likely” I’d learn anything from Bill Behnke? I don’t know. Maybe BB would have talked more if he hadn’t called Ciz. Could I have reported on anything he might have said? I don’t know. But at least it may have been educational. And at least I tried.
The company has proven itself to be loose with the truth, it’s just shafted shareholders with an unexpected fundraise, 15% revenue has slipped to 10% , timescales are way off, still “negotiating” MOU, China pushed back.
But Brondby’s buying more, Green is just as positive, Jace , I assume, is still in Poundland fantasy land. And I assume Neil has now settled into a new positivity.
It just appears (to me) that you’re mostly acting contrary to the information before your eyes.
I have no idea where/when this is going now. Could be extremely good, could be very bad. All depends on the Behnke deal , timescales and the reagents/clinical trials data.
This is being delisted May, the news bombed the share price, but CEO now used that to buy 30k.
These shares before de-listing have a tendency to bounce big, possibility of doubling or more.
( Ps forgive me everyone - Oapk ..also have a look at ECR - looks to have found gold in substantial quantities for the first time to poss begin commercial open pit. Gold high as ever. 0.6- 1p on cards (Doc holliday director - that works both ways)
Hi Vinc..
Just a bit of background here.
At 11.30pm GMT Thursday 14 March, I cold called Bill Behnke (I was amazed that his present phone number and his past ones are quite easily found on the internet)
It's difficult trying to gain traction from a cold call - but I used to do it a lot in a past life. He seemed friendly enough and told me he was in the Cayman Islands on business and to call back the next day at 4 p.m. (GMT).. (Cayman islands 5 hours behind)
Although he was taken aback, he seemed quite amiable , and I thought he would expand on his initial two minutes conversation.
Between those two phone calls he called Ciz and Tim Metcalfe etc told him to shut shop. The next day I had a text off Bill behnke saying he was in a board meeting, but then sent me a general text - similar to his tweet about Ciz , saying he could not say anything more because of NDAs and confidentiality agreements.
I was pretty annoyed because when I then called Ciz they told me "you can't speak to Bill Behnke..you can't do this and that..."
I can talk to anyone who I like if I find their phone number, Ciz!!
Now I can't say anymore about these high valued investors but I think I would have got a bit further if Ciz hadn't shut it down.
I'm only speculating that Bill Behnke probably knows lots of HVI outside his firm , due to his connections. I'm guessing they have very big pockets - and they will need to to develop this, so they must see huge potential for profits.
But the overall picture I got was that Ciz are absolutely determined to control debate, control the agenda and only release news when they like it. (And that doesn't always appear to marry with when an RNS should officially be released)
And I don't like that.
Jace..hope you're still reading. It's good to be hear other views.
When you said that the block sells were "political' and I responded that was "ludicrous" , you took that (in a rather immature way imo) as a personal attack
What turns out in reality is that my misgivings were true and was something fishy (probs forward sells or those in the know pre selling). It's ok to disagree, that's how we learn.
Brondby: i have much respect for you and like you on here..BUT it's naive in the extreme to think "Ciz has all the cards"..
The power is with Bill Behnke's group. They are already minted, with highly successful businesses. Ciz is aspirational and has nothing at all without funding. It has no pathway into the US without them. The cards are undoubtedly with them.
One of the phrases that I feel may have been overlooked in that last RNS is that, although we have the MOU, there is now a period of further negotiations.
This may be bog standard stuff, but I hope it doesn't mean that Ciz's position isn't battered down more - since Ciz appears to have little leverage in this.
Hi Green, hope you're well.
Just wondered how you felt about it all now, still as optimistic?
Something definitely changed with those RNS'; maybe just a subjective feeling, but I think there was also a palpable loss of some trust/ not truly knowing what's going on.
That was the moment of realization for me , the epiphany - that no one on this forum actually does know any more than anyone else!
In fact, through a few phone calls and looking at those block sells, I started feeling that there wasn't something right.
I didn't act on it and I'm as guilty as confirmation bias as anyone else.
Now the dust has settled , how does everyone feel?
Are we just as optimistic with longer time scales, more mistrustful of the BOD, concerned or soothed by the High Value investors?
Are we now going to get regular news feeds..
Will there be someone expected shocks to the positive? (Other cancers)
Will it take even longer than expected and more money?
Will Ciz ever really get high value revenues , and when?
Loads of questions, that I was quite easy with before those RNS'. Now I'm not quite so sure. Got about a quarter left in now. Too much risk for the amount I had in, with the misinformation from BOD.
My feeling is that I'm still fairly optimistic but there could be any old shock around the corner after what's happened.
By no means certain, but I can see this breaking 10p before delist on past behaviour of delisting companies.
Traders may have a few days play here..
Could hit 15p. Could fall flat. To be seen, but I'm in for a small amount today.