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Thanks Oogle...you've confirmed what I thought from my original question! Despite KitKat and Homer 's views (I m surmising from the silence of KitKat she doesn't really understand it either)

Yes, I reckon placing this year for sure, continued silence on nanogenics (despite a phone call promise to me about update) and where is NUVEC going?

Ok thanks chaps.

So back to the essence of my question..

The two trades of 31k at similar times but not exactly the same price @ what appears to be a sell price, on the back of what you have just said, what do you think they are...?

Surely they are sells? I'm trying to take what you've said about transferring money in from other ISAs etc, but still don't understand how those trades could be anything else?

And if they are, it basically means I have confirmed that I know nothing of this area!

Thanks Oogle...

I think I'm getting it, probably that I've always thought that a Bed and ISA always came from cash that wasn't in an ISA and then buying shares with it.. so thinking there's a 20K limit.

I'm still slightly fuzzy, but you're saying that you can Bed and ISA shares from ISA cash already in accounts?

Maybe I have the wrong idea of what a bed and ISA trades is since I havent done one for many years

"are the posters seem to be intimating!.." predictive

Yes, thanks DCraig.

But what I'm getting at is that both trades seemed to be SELLS..

The other posters seem to be intonating that somehow because they were ISA trades they may not be sells. But I don't understand that.

Regarding previous specific questions about ISA trades, I'm guessing by The silence that other posters are also not sure..

I'm asking the questions from a point of ignorance..

So I was actually wanting to learn something.

I don't understand how the two £31k's could be ISA trades... If they were bed and ISA, it would have a 20K limit?

But the share price trades are circa market Sell price.

Could someone explain to me how those two trades logistically could be ISAs...thanks

Thanks, I'm probably being obtuse here..

I get that more than 20K can be transferred in from another ISA account, but are you saying that then there were two separate 31k trades with those funds? (which on the face of it were sells at that price?

If it was a simple Bed and ISA wouldn't that be a sale from non-ISA account to an immediate buy in ISA account? And that be limited to 20k?

Please explain this to me like I'm a numpty which I am on this particular subject!

Cheers for that...

I thought about the possibility of ISA swaps/trades, but wouldn't that be limited to 20K, or am I missing something with this... Not sure of the rules of Isas

Still sells , I'm guessing

Ah, just noticed they are delayed trades from the 15th

Now there's two chunky numbers.

And knowing what a pathetically leaky ship N4P is, I wonder if there's any news coming next week...

Of the bad variety

MarkOiler ..rules for Cizzle

1) don't believe anything Alan Symms says about timelines or progress, unless proved otherwise.

2) the April launch was based on a tie up with a company that Cizzle claimed were fit for purpose for rollout - then retrospectively changed their story.

3) Alan Symms said that launch would be by the end of 2025 , and that validating the test was going "extremely well" with the new company.

Since validation should not take as long as this, maybe it's fair to draw some conclusions.

(See point 1)

Notice there's been a few chunky sells today. Hard to gauge what is going on behind the scenes with such a dreadful company regarding shareholder respect

Cheers got that CC..an interesting read👍

When reading that, it brought on multiple cases of "multiple-phobia".. my multiplicitous multiplying multiple bane of my modern English language world.

Apart from the overuse of 'going forward' and "febrile"

The multiple wrong usage of the Americanism, multiple , in the modern media instead of "many, several, a handful, dozens, numerous, etc" is doing my multiple brain cells multiple damage in multiple ways.

Multiple people also think this and my multiple friends also notice this.

It's just a multiple comment.

However I think the multiple points you made were very good - apart from the one about silence.

Which can mean either that things aren't going well or are going well.

I'm guessing that Ciz Bio will be making good progress unless they've got a team together just a mess around for a laugh - and the yanks don't do that. They like their $$$ too much.

Metaphorically speaking (certainly not in a political way) it seems they've got a Donald Trump in charge of their operations and we've got Keir Starmer.

I think they'll need a fundraise to push it along - IF it ever gets going in the US.

Anyway fundraise or no fundraise I never see Ciz sustaining a market capital of above £20mill. Probably less.

Only time will tell.

The Old Moot ..

That's my belief and educated guess with everything I've seen here. (And I've stated it in the past)

Even if they do overcome the (obviously problematic) obstacle to commercialisation, what does that actually look like?

If they get the PR right , it opens to a great fanfair r in the US, share price (MC) spikes to maybe 15-25 mill market cap.

Then what? Sales are predicted to be very slow...so share price slumps back to maybe 10mill MC.

So what happens then? I predict a massive fundraiser in the UK to get the ball rolling over here and in Europe. At the same time Alan Symms is definitely not the leader to take this forward imo. He has no charisma or energy.

So there's a share price that is halved or three quartered by a fundraiser. Probably another spike as there's news of a partner in the UK.

Share price falls back...then what? (Probably a year or two years to get it going in the UK... While in the USA sales go at snails pace)

In the meantime there will be other products coming to market that supersede it.

Probably at some point the US company is taken out. Maybe Ciz UK is taken out for peanuts.

And that's how I see the long term!

Hi chaps,

Yep, "dull" is an understatement.

Our local council have had a better marketing campaign when they change the blue bin collection day to green.

Ps it's possible that Ciz USA are looking to launch the gastric cancer and lung cancer tests together with a full marketing campaign, but who knows

I should have phrased that "I hope that Ciz USA are doing the marketing, rather than comms. The comms/truth etc are the pits, as Green articulated well.

My main concern stateside is that they're struggling to validate...if they are, it would put the entire plan in jeopardy. Maybe it's the case of softly softly catches monkey, but I'm afraid I'm rather more skeptical than that!

Happy Christmas Green , and all

Can't say I disagree with much of that.

Don't think it makes much difference when they launch though, to be honest - I've been in a share (Pires) where the rise began on Christmas Eve and continued all through January.

I don't think it will matter when this launches. They'll either do it right I'm gain some traction with a PR and marketing campaign, or , in time honoured Ciz style, they'll get it all wrong and it could be a damp squib... Going up and coming down .

Hopefully the former, if the USA branch are in charge of comms.

👍cheers..

Just trying it now and appears to be working