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I wish I hadn't logged on to buy shares about 30 mins after HL suspended buying of it :(
At least I have a decent amount at a price much lower then I ever thought I would.

I would be surprised if there is any kind of peace treaty until Russia take Mariupol.
That was what everyone thought their main plan was, land border from Crimea to break away regions.
Until this happens why will Ukraine agree to losing a city they still own? Once it falls then Russia can say let's just keep this as new part of Russia.
IDK if that will be accepted and maybe Russia will be happy with Ukraine just agreeing Crimea and breakaway regions are now Russia (not sure they will) but IMO until Mariupol is in Russian hands the war will continue despite any rhetoric that comes out.

For share price, if you want to buy more at lower price then or sell at a certain price then set reminders or auto sells and then don't worry how the share gets to that point but sure it will bounce around a bit, though feels that around 300 or just under is becoming a new floor as 120s/130s was previously (yes it dropped below there but not for long quickly bought back up).
All IMO of course I have a lower reminder set so if price drops that far I will add more but also happy with my current investment so if it doesn't pick me up that's fine too.

"Russian forces are withdrawing from the Chernihiv region of northern Ukraine but have not yet left entirely, the local governor has said.

Speaking in a video address on Friday, Viacheslav Chaus said: "Air and missile strikes are (still) possible in the region, nobody is ruling this out," Reuters news agency reported.

He added that Ukrainian forces were entering and securing settlements previously held by Russian troops.
Chaus said it was still too early for Ukrainian forces in the Chernihiv region to let their guard down as Russian troops "are still on our land."

Russia said on Tuesday it would cut back operations around Chernihiv and the capital Kyiv in an effort to "boost mutual trust" in peace talks.

But Chaus previously told the BBC attacks had continued overnight into Wednesday."

If I may, unless people are day trading or using leverage, why do you care what it does short term?

If you are saying you'll never sell this or won't sell till £10, £15, £20 etc then why do you worry about if it goes straight there or bounces around a bit first?

If you 'need' the money you've put in the stock in the next couple years I would recommend you don't do that in future as short term markets can go anywhere. However long term is up.

If you just bought because the price was low then you'll definitely get shaken out of here at some point because you don't understand what you are buying so all you can focus on is the losses or reducing profits.

If you are shaken out then hopefully you will learn from this, often unfortunately people need to lose money themselves before they start to understand the market and investing. It's not a game, not gambling and not rigged against you, in fact you have the small size and flexibiltiy that big firms wish they had but if you don't lean what you are doing (not just from jokers on youtube telling you somethign will go to the moon) then you will lose out, give up thinking it's a scam and miss out on the best way to give yourself a comfortable retirement whether that's at 70, 50 or younger.

For any Spaceballers

We aren't just doing this for money.
We're doing it for a $hit load of money!

I guess a lot of the 'buy's were sells.
Obviously every buy is a sell and vice versa as you are buying off someone not just creating new shares (maybe with Tesla :))
but presumably more people were looking to get out at prices below the market level meaning share price had to drop to find buyers for them.

such is life

Buy when there's blood in the strets

I think smallest company in ftse100 is ds Smith at over 4 bill market cap so a way to go yet even to be eligible.

I doubt we'll go back on indexes for a good couple months or more until there is more certainty on the war and on how other countries are going to tolerate Russia moving forward.
Other platforms restarting may be sooner I expect one or two of the bigger ones may start to feel risk is lessening.

Funny how dividends are always paid in full or pulled.
If there was a slight concern why would they not pay 50% div and add the rest in later down the line should nothing major occur?
I guess they need a yes no question for the AGM but if they can turn around and cancel it why can't they reduce it?

That said I don't really see anything, with the war so far not affecting us at all and negotiations seemingly improving, to require the div to be pulled.

I don't see it being returned.
I've had dividends cancelled after ex div date and this will be the same. What's to pay our if the demerger is not going ahead?
Just bad luck anyone who was holding before the cost was taken out. I mean the market cap will eventually go back to reflect that it's still all one company so you don't lose out, just that anyone buying after the demerge drop gets a free ride.
That's the game

600lt you are a bit nuts aren't you.

I think Putin and his band wanted that first but then got greedy and came up with the idea they could force regime change again and get another puppet like in Belarus.
Now they've realised they've spread themselves too thin, and the Ukraine aren't lying down for them so are now looking to go back to the original plan.

I don't think they would want to look as poorly coordinated and (for want of a better word) weak In front of the world but attacking all over Ukraine as some kind of faint.

yikes! No we shouldn't stand by our governemnt come what may, we should see what they do and hold them to account.
The way gov have manged to avoid scrutiny for so long through slogans or pretending an attack on them is somehow unpatriotic is why we the country is in such a mess at the moment with unfortunately no real light at the end of the tunnel

maybe it's you that's being sanctioned @LTHamigo or should I say.. Roman! :)

@beechknot I has gone up about 150% in 4 days so I think it would be strange not to get a pull back.
Also makes it more likely to keep going up as stocks that only go parabolic are the ones that will likely crash as the sells aren't coming in whereas clearing out sellers at this level now means it will have more strength for the next leg up.
Well in theory.

finally some action

Yes I don't want the split either, hopefully as they are at start of this by time they get around to it the war will be over taking away the main reason for splitting.

I'd think more likely profit taking given we are up 75% from Wednesday

""Investors would have the option to retain holdings in both companies, or to sell their shares in the Russia business"."

This is (or similar to) what Evraz said, but straight away I got a message from brokers to say we don't offer Russian trading so will sell your shares first day and credit your account.

You are very much at decision of your broker unlike old days where you'd actually hold a paper share you could keep and trade as you wish (obviously now it's much easier with internet) which is what others have found who for eg are still unable to buy here on whim of their broker.

@Splice, but then the total market cap of both companies will be the same as the current full company.
But HL at least don't allow trading on Russian stock exchange so if one of the companies is only on there your broker will just cash those shares in and give you the price (probably minus some admin and fx fees too!)
If they don't allow you to hold or trade on the Russian market then they aren't going to continue holding the shares in your account you'll have to move to a platform that does allow Russian trading.

A quick look it seems 'interactive brokers' allow it but I have no knowledge of how good/safe a platform that is, hence preferring the status quo to be maintained at least whilst this price is so low compared to it's averages.

I think most people are pro-ukrainian at the moment, including many Russians.

Anyway I would not want this at least now as I assume russian holdings would be on russian market only. From exp with Evraz's demerger of coal that means most (maybe all) UK platforms including HL will force sell the new shares which are obviously currently massively undervalued meaning I and I assume most here would miss out on bigger gains

Interested in others take on this.