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ARE STILL NIBBLING AWAY HERE WITH 5.5 PE AND A 9% DIVIDEND. TUCKING THEM AWAY ALONG WITH MANY OTHER LOW PRICED SHARES. IN THE AIM MARKET MINERS AAU AND PAF ARE ATTRACTING ATTENTION, AS THEY ARE GROSSLY UNDER PRICED. FAR EAST INVESTMENT TRUSTS ARE ALSO VERY LOW AS ARE FRONTIER MARKETS. AS THE PANIC ENDS WE WILL LOOK BACK AND SAY WHY ON EARTH DID WE NOT BUY MORE AT THOSE LOW PRICES. SEEN IT ALL BEFORE AND ADDING WEEKLY TO THE PORTFOLIO WILL PAY DIVIDENDS IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE. WHY BUY WHEN STOCKS ARE HIGH WHEN YOU CAN BUY WHEN THEY ARE LOW? WE ARE NEARLY 80 AND SEEN A FEW OF THESE BARGAIN TIMES OVER THE LAST 50-60 ANDS YEARS THAT GIVE A GOOD PROFIT WHEN THE TIDE TURNS.

The secret needs to get out so the price increases

APPROX 80% MORE SHARES PURCHASED THAN SOLD TODAY ,= DROP IN THE SHARE PRICE

ONCE THE SELLERS MOVE IN WILL THE PRICE GO UP!!!

JUST NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE MMs ARE DOING OR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO GET IT TO GO UP.

DO THE MMs KNOW THAT IF THE PRICE DOES GO UP THERE ARE A LOT OF SELLERS WAITING TO CASH IN.

When the blood is flowing down the gutter, BUY BUY BUY. Get as much as you can of the shares that have dropped a lot. Also buy the Investment trusts that have dropped a lot, remember their NAV is usually well above the share price, making them very cheap and the dividends higher. Investment trusts cover a range of companies world wide and unquoted, thus spreading your risk, unless you can afford to buy 200 different shares so a range of investment trusts that are 33% below their high is a good investment, even if you can buy 200 different shares, buy a wider range of ITs and you do not have to keep checking the share price. We are 90% invested in ITs and adding monthly as much as we can at present. If possible buy over a number of days and weeks to give you an average. As we approach 80 we have seen it all before and people have made money, a lot, when buying at a low price. How often have you looked at the share prices, with company lows showing 50 - 100% down on the current the price and said " wish I had bought them when they were that low". So why did you not buy them when that cheap. It is not easy to buy at the bottom but certainly when they are just off it. This is when you make money. Buy at the top will give you a better chance of losing money short term,, with you having to wait 12 months for them to recover to what you paid. We have seen black this and black that, but they all come back if the company is sound. That is why we like ITs which leaves the work to those who have the time. Small companies show a better return than FTSE 100 companies.
It is your money so buy as you see fit.

When the blood is flowing down the gutter, BUY BUY BUY. Get as much as you can of the shares that have dropped a lot. Also buy the Investment trusts that have dropped a lot, remember their NAV is usually well above the share price, making them very cheap and the dividends higher. Investment trusts cover a range of companies world wide and unquoted, thus spreading your risk, unless you can afford to buy 200 different shares so a range of investment trusts that are 33% below their high is a good investment, even if you can buy 200 different shares, buy a wider range of ITs and you do not have to keep checking the share price. We are 90% invested in ITs and adding monthly as much as we can at present. If possible buy over a number of days and weeks to give you an average. As we approach 80 we have seen it all before and people have made money, a lot, when buying at a low price. How often have you looked at the share prices, with company lows showing 50 - 100% down on the current the price and said " wish I had bought them when they were that low". So why did you not buy them when that cheap. It is not easy to buy at the bottom but certainly when they are just off it. This is when you make money. Buy at the top will give you a better chance of losing money short term,, with you having to wait 12 months for them to recover to what you paid. We have seen black this and black that, but they all come back if the company is sound. That is why we like ITs which leaves the work to those who have the time. Small companies show a better return than FTSE 100 companies.
It is your money so buy as you see fit.

We are approaching our 80s and feel they are making hard work of Brexit. When we voted to join, we all voted for a TRADE DEAL NOT to be governed by the Germans as they crept in at the back door when finally reasoning that after 2 world wars we always win that way. So they gradually had Europe take all our powers away. To get out we think that they are making to much fuss about it.
(1 we leave,
(2 Does Europe want a trade deal with us with no tariffs either way?
(3 Ireland . If Europe want border controls then let them put up entrance posts at the hundreds of little roads that join the two countries in to Eire if they want to. whatever they do the Irish (both sides) will ignore most of it. LOL and I am half one
(4 Divorce money, Why are we paying to leave? surly we should only just pay any amounts due until we leave. No more. If we say we are not paying to leave and just leave what can they do? charge us high tariffs on goods we we sell to them? if so we charge them the same on goods from Europe. Europe I understand sells more to us than we do to them. No need for all these talks. We leave on a specific day and that is the end.
(5 The European parliament own a lot of property etc of which we are entitled to a share, So they should be paying us the percentage we own.
(6 Civil servants cause all these problems to make themselves indispensable, as they always have and to increase their numbers.
(7 Passports.minimum disruption,
Simple and why not? only pro Europeans are making it hard.
Europe can decide what they want to do after we have gone. Companies traded and survived well enough before we entered as we can well remember. People who cannot remember those days are trying to say it will be a disaster. No more so than 2 world wars and we came through ok.
AAU worried about the number of sales going through. However there are only a few shares that can be traded and MMs are probably happy to gobble them up as they become available and up the SP once the sellers have and only buyers left.
At our age we wonder why people try to make everything difficult.

CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF SALES PAF IS HOLDING UP VERY WELL. THIS MUST TELL US SOMETHING, THE MMs WANT THE SHARES

Still bewildered.
At 14.40 today three sales at 360p followed by one at 359.8p then two sales at 359.7p
these are followed by two buys @ 359.2p

So why were people able to buy them for less than others sold them for previously.
As we have said before , many a time we have bought stock then see the next trade where some one else bought the stock at less than we paid in the previous trade.

PAF down 4% to day up 9% the other day but the trades made hardly vary
sell at 8.04p buy 8.15p so why is there a large % movement indicated each day.
Can not follow how the price is calculated by MMs with so many anomalies
14.08 yesterday 13 nov. three buy trades for 5000 shares each cost, in time order 8.18p 8.19p 8.19p followed by a purchase of 9558 shares for only 8.15p So why has a buyer of a larger amount of shares paid LESS than those who bought earlier.
There are many such weird changes in both buy and sell deals in smaller companies.
We have often purchased shares in companies, then see some one later (after no sales in between) paid less than we have. The same in reverse with sales of shares

Got the feeling that SEE has lost its way and actual sales will be sparse, with it folding in the end. We only have a few shares left and if nothing good comes soon they will also go. Directors happy to keep us hanging on as they draw their salaries. So many AIM companies look good initially then fall by the wayside with the investors losing out and directors getting their regular income for a s long as they can. We have moved 90% in to investment trusts who specialise in these and unquoted companies, as they know more, far more, than us.

https://investegate.co.uk/dongfang---276-/rns/trading-update-and-director-resignation/201201100700242540V/

read this as suggested and it sums up aim

as for ffwd who knows lets keep our fingers crossed

Thanks have looked and as we said these AIM stocks do do funny movements.

Hold a small quantity and will keep them until they are 40p or gone bust. Any one know what is going on here these days. Orders were delayed they said earlier in year but are those orders beginning to arrive or have they gone forever?
Got a feeling we have lost our money investing here.

SP 347P GIVES A p/e of 5.26 with a Div of 33p for 2018-2019 showing 9.51% not a bad return Plus houses will be needed and sales will increase. Forget Brexit people will still want somewhere to live. Even if profits half a p/e of 10.5 is more than acceptable and if the dividend half's to 4.75%, most would say this is a high dividend stock. Basically we wait until London picks up to give an increase to the profits. Board keeps a steady eye on the overall position. this is worth holding and buying at 300p - 400p. At the current rate of dividend buying at todays price you will receive all the costs back after 11 years and still hold your shares, which will have cost nothing. Yes you can find faults, but at today's price you can allow them. Better bet than companies like Amazon where the P'E is ridiculous.

Profit takers out. Buyers will take advantage, long term this will be a bargain.

the variation of prices is beyond me
Some get bought at X and the next sells at X.1 no consistency in buys and sells. a few sells then the next sale is higher same with buys. a few buys then the next buy is at a lower price. Even allowing for quantities it never makes sense. How did it finish up 11% today?????

DISAPPOINTING TO DAY AFTER IT HAD ADVANCED TO 367P FIRST THING. A LOT MAY BE PROFIT TAKING BY THOSE WHO BOUGHT IN AT THE LOW 310P+ MARK. AT 315P IT IS ATTRACTING BUYERS WITH ITS YIELD. HOPEFULLY WE WILL FIND OUT THE P/E IS STILL LOW WHEN WE GET MORE RESULTS. WE ARE STAYING IN UP TO 550P AT LEAST

Disappointing as it should be advancing now, Any one calculated the real value of the company. AAU on the other hand is starting to move up, albeit slowly. The gold it has accumulated is worth more than the current value of the company apparently.We will be adding to AAU. Another one that once spotted by the newspapers will advance. PAF needs to get some mention in the financial sectors then perhaps it will increase. We were looking at 15p However we have not calculated its NAV per share. Which we thought a few months ago was about 15p. So you with the knowledge get calculating!!!!!!!!! and possibly cheer us up. If it is favourable or we get some good news we will add again to our holding.

We left an order for our holdings to be sold early last week at 1.33p, this was slightly exceeded first thing today but the order was not completed. Unlike the main market they cannot put orders on the order list for MMs. Our broker needed to spot the price change which was not done. So we still have the shares. After reading your comments and the RNS news we are now thinking of adding to our holding rather than disposing of it. This does look like going up with a few decent purchases to offset the sales, once its value is noted in newspapers we may start to climb at a more rapid pace.

Always a problem at some small companies, as they tend to hide nasty things.