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Just found this link to Drone footage of Northern end of Plastic park showing Manchester Ship canal port for waste docking and interconnecting roads leading to various parts of the site.
Apologies if its been posted before.
Video Link of progress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6M_yJ0gTj4

Thank you Crocqman. You have given an old man PI an education in Fund managers. Its never to late to learn even at 70 years young.

I do hope so PT.
It will be a good present for my 70th birthday on the 4th.

Hi LZ, you would make a good roving reporter, come camera man.
With regard to the bridleway. That looks more likely to be closed for work on plot 13 pet plant which is good news for us. As far as the electrical cable link from substation it is most certainly identified on electrical grid connection drawing coming out of the substation and running along the pathway of Grinsome Road adjacent to Plot 12 then around the roundabout at the entrance to Protos park. It then enters park before crossing over into Plot 10B.

I know Doc.
Its difficult to understand unless you are an engineer and a scientist.
But try this as a better explanation for a real life action.
Im 20 Stone imperial. When I go into the furnace at the end of my life I end up as a mixture of Oxygen and Carbon gas. And my residue powder will possibly sit on my wife's mantel piece in an ern and weigh less than than a few ounces. Every living object is created from CO2 as its primary source of production. Its why all living objects are referred to as carbon entitles. So unless I miss understood my science teacher at school. That what I have always understood as the circle of life.

Yes Doc I understand the ? mark.
But no doubt Twatpack 3 will come up and contradict it. And at nearly 70 and a committed British citizen. I'm still into imperial measurements and cannot be bothered to do any conversions. So I leave to you clever people with ology's to carry out that function.
Regards

Im only going by the tree hugger article. Doc
Quote It noted that "a typical plant will process approximately 40 tonnes of waste plastic per day and produce up to 2 tonnes (2000kgs) of hydrogen in the same period. This equates to approximately 50 kg of H2 for every tonne of feedstock."
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Yes its an interesting question but all there is to go on is the following from PHE website.
"The process involves the plastic being heated to a very high temperature, within a few seconds it melts and then vaporises into a mixture of gases. Further heating within the Chamber reforms the molecules into a synthetic gas known as “syngas”, comprising a mixture of methane, hydrogen and a smaller volume of carbon monoxide. The Thermal Conversion Chamber operates in the absence of oxygen, so there is no burning. However a non-combusting oxidising agent in the form of steam is added to control the process and the quality of the syngas. Once through the Conversion Chamber the syngas is cleaned, leaving behind a few inert residues, which are typically less than 5% of the starting volume of waste plastics. These residues can then be reused for other purposes or disposed of safely."
So what is 5%of 40 tons. Or what would 40 tons of water converted in steam actually weight weigh as a gas.
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You just beat me to it Doc. Nice to have you back and still on the ball.
On a separate note I had Martin Luther King Dream moment last night.
There I was driving into a hydrogen service station in my H powered car. Then with a boot full of plastic. I place said plastic into the local hopper where its weighed and then the H dispenser fills my tank. Much like I do now with my Mercedes diesel estate using plastic and a pin number to purchase fuel.
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TP3, I’m not even going look for any past RNS that tells the world that no major financier would invest in the DMG plant. That would be suicide for any up and growing company.
But if you want to see such as that statement. Try Edison’s research on the Waste2Tricity takeover.
PHE’s own subscribed report dated 6th July 2020.
And secondly, I’m not fixated on H2. As its intended to make money from 3 sources of output. Heat, Electricity, and also H2. Which all depends on where their market is best fitted. Electricity and heat already have a market agreement with an adjacent plot.
Oh, and welcome back DR.A. Nice to see you still look in and post interesting comments.
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Tom,
Try this for size re working plant.
Although PowerHouse listed in 2011, it is still at a relatively early stage of corporate development, as any significant commercial progress was precluded until DNV GL completed its independent validation of the full-scale design in October 2018. The company’s 1–3tpd demonstration reactor situated near Ellesmere Port in the UK has been in operation for over a year and provided electricity to the local micro-grid.
Now if Im not mistaken there is a working DMG plant. Even if its only a smaller version.
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Quite right H. on both accounts.
The factory originally approached to manufacture the plant said it would take 4 months to produce and they have the capability to build 3 plants a year.
Peels original agreement is for 10 or 11 parks or a mixture of the two types. Park or stand alone site.
So it stands to reason another site could be accommodated in the timeline. Perhaps the Irish plant.
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Another relevant post from Nutty. Well found Sir.
Its precisely what the whole Protos plastic park is about.
Could be that Peels model of parks has a global reach taking our DMG plant along for the ride.
Onwards and upwards
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Good question Dodger, And here is my 4 pence worth.
Peel said
- Spring - planning decision expected to bring the first Plastic Park to the UK to process some of the 4.9 million tonnes of plastic waste produced in the country each year.
- Summer/autumn - start on site at the plastic-to-hydrogen facility to turn unrecyclable plastic waste in the region into a clean fuel for buses, HGVs and cars.
Peels time line is for planning to be achieved by the end of spring which google has said is actually today. By tomorrow it will have been overdue. Not to worried as long as it comes about before August so that Peel have the encouragement to commit funds for the DMG build
Building works for our plot 10B is for end of august as that appears to tie in with the loan extension.
Best guess is for whole site process to be up and running is August 2023 at the latest.
Anyone else care to comment.
MJA

Conkers, PHE chose to follow the licensing route as
(1) They couldn’t get the finance to build the plant.
(2) They chose Waste 2 Tricity to build the plant then took them over and aligned with Peel to provide the site, planning and construction expertise. It was also stated during the takeover that financiers would not provide funds to PHE and preferred Peel. So, Peel became the customers and main contractors
(3) Non execs are a valuable source of contacts and cheaper than directly employed Directors. They also took no pay in the earlier stages and I assume preferred to take shares in exchange. That strikes me as good business sense from a company that only has a non-commercial proven concept to sell. The small unit at the university is not a full-scale plant. That’s the next hurdle to overcome. Despite what anyone else says it is the FOAK plant. Although it looks like something out of the scrap heap challenge program.
(4) Protos is not the DMG plant it’s a plastic park. And was granted outline planning in 2009 and was varied under a 2015 Section 73 Application. It has continued under that permission ever since. So far Peels, cable, bridge and road fairies have been hard at work building the surrounding infrastructure. How else has the tarmac roadway to plot 10B come about.
You say you’re here because you want to see the company work and help deal with plastic pollution, and my reply smacks of arrogance. Well so do I want the company to work. Except I and many others have stayed with the company and you sold up. Personally, the term arrogance fits you down to a tee. As you state you know more than, other people when in fact you fail in all quarters.
Please feel free to make comments when you understand all the facts and at least have some skin in the game.
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Sorry conkers but Im not so sure of why you posted here if you left the horse race last year. Are you looking for a round of applause. If so Im clapping just now. As far as the poor management goes to whom are you referring. If its Peel then you didn't hold shares in Peel as they are a private company and to be sure they know exactly what they are about with the the protos plastic park.

I fully understand that Tatty,
I hadn't even got around to reading the contents. As I was side-tracked by the Roman Empire application. Hence what I thought was a comical comment worth making about the time it takes to get an application passed.
Anyway thanks for the link.
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Ok H. Let me explain.
First off both sites have a planning application in, that directly effects the the start of construction of a commercial DMG plant. As this is the PHE BB it is obvious to me. That one or the other sites, and I also add that HUIs polish and Irish applications using the PHE DMG plant is of interest to all.
Now I know that Piltick follows all sites as do I. That's why I mentioned that I didn't have a link to the Rothesay application.
I do now thanks to Tatty99.
Does that help clarify my post any better.
Regards
MJA

Thanks Tatty. For the link I was missing.
Reading down the list. It was interesting to note that the Roman Empire has still got a planning application in for the following:- "Frontiers of the Roman Empire (Antonine Wall) " Lets hope the peel application doesn't suffer quite as long a delay.
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I didn't say it was. Please do keep up H.

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