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Pity the Indianns didn't support Europe's fight against aggression by sitting in the fence and abstaining

Morning Tony. Final word on this from me. It's a network,size doesn't really matter. How would you think the internet works. As my old tutor would say " two wires and a battery son, no more complicated than that" lol.
Have a good weekend all, wife's out shopping for the day, footballs on and ........relax....until she reveals how much her and her friends have spent.

Hi Tony. I have absolutely no idea. It was you who said "HES are produced by different companies who win a contract, "
HES would be, in layman's terms ,the monitoring equipment at the end location, this needs to be able to manage all the meters/Comms. You may recall the word agnostic has been used in many conversations regarding India Smart, indeed the delay until March was as I have said for POC.
How many DCCs are in the UK monitoring the UK smart meters? Do you think each meter company has their own DCC? Think about it what would be the benefit of each supplier having its own equivelent of the DCC? It was bad enough here with the Smets1 issue and customers changing suppliers. If you can find anything confirming there are individual HES being used that would be very interesting.
I would read the attached, only relevant to the UK but it may shed some light.
https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/about-dcc/

Morning Tony. "MOU is an understanding but I take it you also read the Hardman report which said 'under the terms' etc giving a different meaning."
It matters not ,it is a non binding MOU, it doesn't matter what spin Hardman put on with words, hence I would rather base my understanding upon the facts.
On your second point "HES are produced by different companies who win a contract, so does not mean that CC HES cannot deal with all meters, if HES is the problem. In which case CC HES would be an essential item."
Where have you seen that that there is more than one company providing the HES? If you could provide a link it would be helpful. If that were the case you would have multiple meters communicating with multiple HES many of which could not talk to each other, now I don't think even the Indians are that stupid!
Imagine in the UK there was more than one DCC and each supplier had their own meter,it would be like the Smets issue on heat with customers potentially losing the smart service each time they changed.
If you read the document explaining the 3 month delay until March it is clear to me they are giving Comms providers time to prove their system is compliant (POC) This is only my opinion of course and I'm happy to base my risks around that.i have been involved in similar pieces of work to pull various systems together at one HES albeit in a different sphere. I know all the potential pitfalls ,believe me lol.

Tony you clearly don't understand the technicalities. I did explain in more detail many months ago. What I said in my recent post was
"There is an issue with the HES it seems. Think of the HES as the brain, accepting all the info from the various meters in numerous formats (language) it cannot understand or manage the information being received, if that is the case it's a single point of failure. The options are ,sort it or only use meters that work with the HES and change them. "
Read the whole paragraph.
The HES is the interface that deals with the information it receives. Each meter it seems is sending info in various formats for the HES to manage. The HES clearly appears to work with SOME meters it seems but struggles with others. So for clarity
The options in my view is for the meters that don't work need to engage with the HES provider to release whatever info is required to make their meters compatible. Alternatively change the meters not communicating to ones that can.
I suspect there may be politics to play here. You could also look back at the Smets2 and Smets2 issue here and consider how long that is taking to resolve. Although I've not looked into the Smets issue to deeply,my supplier confirmed there was a software upgrade ongoing to resolve the issue at the front end here, which to me seems a reasonable way to go. AIMO.
Incidentally " CyanConnode has announced a non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with IntelliSmart,". What makes you believe they are doing the work? You do understand what a non binding MOU is compared to a contract award?

Tony I think your missing the point. "CC refined its product to include Cellular and so can now deal with all meters".
There is an issue with the HES it seems. Think of the HES as the brain, accepting all the info from the various meters in numerous formats (language) it cannot understand or manage the information being received, if that is the case it's a single point of failure. The options are ,sort it or only use meters that work with the HES and change them. This is obviously what brought up the original delay pushed forward to March asking the various suppliers for POC.
Add in all the contractural obligations and arguments around who has responsible for the overall design brief this could drag on for ages,remember India have a history of this type of Ball5 up.
I'm hoping the POC will have been resolved during the 3 months delay by March. If it is I think a few companies with successful POC will get the contract awards. Who ,how many and how long the delay is anyone's guess. I'm in a position to wait without any pressure,of course some investors are not. The worry is will CC have enough income to plod on? AIMO.

Tony ask yourself only one question....If the CC solution is so perfect and reliable, based upon the fact they have confirmed they have so many issues why are they not canning all the others and proceeding with the CC solution?
That would instantly solve the ball5 up and result in a successful deliverable .
There is going to be another delay, which is obviously why there was a deferrence to March to allow proof of concept.
Clearly other issues have arisen. The question is how long will the delay be. If the issues are what I believe them to be I would say 12 months, that's only supposition on my part though, it really is finger in the air time. Hopefully CC will be able to win other contracts to pull in some cash in the meantime.

I thought the idea was to bring everyone together Tony. A big project is only lots of small projects pulled together.
They should have decided on the HES solution from the outset and procured that ,they didn't.
They should have clearly laid out the design criteria for all the companies providing the comms modules they didn't.
They tried to get it as cheap as possible and thought it clever to play one company off against another,they did.
They should have engaged companies in a decent commercial relationship, they didnt.
They cannot as you say leave "CC can manage all of the Comms including Head End" nothing seems to talk to each other . The whole delivery seems a ball5 up.
As they say ....pay cheap pay twice.

Been involved in many similar types of projects.
Read , " there has been a major ball5 up" .
Probably due to the way the whole piece of work has been managed by multiple project leads with little communication (no pun intended) The Comms, head end and interoperability are the absolute main deliverables so should have been resolved very early in the project,the fact that they clearly have not beggars belief. Only in India.....bit like building an aircraft and on take off realising the wings are on back to front lol.
If it's taken this long to realise there is an issue of that magnitude I can only guess at what comes next.

That country between India and afghanistan.lol

****5tan .

And again!! lolol woke gone mad !

Not sure why the word ****STAN was edited in my post. World has gone bloo*y mad.

Sorry but so do all the others LTI. Once again CC excel in stating the obvious . Lol. Perhaps India would be better supporting more of the other UN players rather than sitting on the fence abstaining. Next thing they will sign a deal with Russia for smart metering, much like ****stan have for gas and wheat.

You called this one wrong way back Pork. I suggest as entertainment everyone reads your rantings and timings about the US markets as well. No toddle off you will miss the school register :))))))

Good simple explanation ILTS. Looks however as though there are some short term holders here who on cash return announcement tried for a quick bonus. LTH will and should be the ones to benefit in my opinion.

Wonder if a bid incoming ITT? The share price moves have been rather strange over the last month or so. Like you I have a similar (open minded ) plan. If CC are so into bed with these main manufacturers they may well raid the tea fund for a bid. My guess is it won't be as big as people think. At this point and with the required funding to move forward the only option is a significant dilution or a bid. AIMO but quietly watching.

Aviva board ????

Morning ITT.
NOo you haven't missed anything. From my point of view it was best case scenario. The detail that is being returned by March I am guessing is the PQQ as I say.
Once back and reviewed the suppliers will be selected and bids made. These are then reviewed prior to contract award.
I've been involved with bids where the tender has been awarded 3 to 4 months after the pre-qualification.
Much depends how much contractural work has been done. Trouble is this is India. Should have made clear it was best case scenario and wishful thinking on my part.

Morning Tony.
The only thing that concerns me is CC either do not seem to know the true definition and difference between embedded and integrated bearing in mind they are a software provider. That however is just me nit picking .
The usual process would be tender pre-qualification. Following that point there will be a short list of those that are compliant technically. Moving forward there would then be a shortlist of successful companies drawn up. Initial evaluations would the take place followed by financial negotiations and finally the tender award/ awards. That is how all tenders have progressed in my experience, however in India who knows.
As we are aware, by January 2022 the Indian Ministry of Power has set out the requirement for bidders to have proven end-to-end and fully interoperable solutions with 99.5% success rate. That to me is what I consider the PQQ.(pre-qualification stage)
The announcement in March will indicate how far along the road they are.
I personally am not expecting any contract awards at this point,just an indication of how successful CC have been. Anything else for me would be a bonus.
I would guess any successful provider would see contract award would-be about 3 months later. This is all in my personal view, and lots could happen in the meantime.