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Apologies for spelling mistakes. Just on a quick 5 min break from work emails etc.

Further to AntiFragile's bb, I would add that it would appear RF are drip feeding their shares into the market in a controlled manner. The inintla drop occurred in one go and stabalised in the 7's. They have (even using Mr Negative MAJW's guesstimate) got rid of half of their "stock". And actually the SP has stabilised further into the 8's (albeit the low 8's).

If it was in the 7's on the news of RF's involvement, but without them selling any, and now having sold half of their stock the SP has moved up into the 8's, that would appear to me to be the opposite of a helter skelter death spiral.

Question for MAJW- Do you think Dr Parker called up RF direct to purchase his shares? I know you had previously suggested anyone could do that.

You have lost all credibility in my eyes. (not that you had much anyway). At least at the start you sounded like you might know what you were talking about.

Turns out you're not the Messiah, you're a very naughty boy.

AIMHO

Elcap

Elcap

Well it can't be The Puma or MAJW closing their shorts as they said they would let us know when they were going to close.

If I was RF I would probably release 100% of the 1st batch of £2M then hold the next 2 batches of £300k.

Depends on their appetite though.

Either way things are looking extremely positive in my eyes.

AIMHO

Elcap

It has now been over a month since RF deal started. The SP was £1 when the credit facility was announced. We saw SP drop relatively quickly to 80p, which is where it has pretty much remained. So if they are "dumping" shares everyday then they seem to be doing it in a controlled manner. They loaned us £2M and are committed to another £300k on 3rd November and then another £300k on 3rd Feb. The 2 lots of £300k are small amounts in the great scheme of things, but even so. The total we could draw down is £5M, but we don't have to. If we stick at the £2M they have leant us for the first 3 months then I would imagine they have dumped at least a third £670k into market already.

So even if no news it would appear the SP has largely stabilised. Yes if there's good news and an increase in buying then RF might release more into the market. As we have had some good news in the last month there is a chance RF might have dumped more than a third into the market, my gut feeling is we are probably now at about half way.

Fingers crossed but on the face of it they appear to behaving sensibly. This is more a "driving Miss Daisy" kind of helter skelter rather than the "Death spike we are all going to die, soil myself" helter skelter some had predicited.

Any more good news and RF will have dumped the lot and the helter skelter ride will be over, with many passengers still asking if it has started yet. At that point the SP will rise significantly.

AIMHO

GLA

Elcap

Bailiff - I think he will be playing on his own. I can't think there would be anyone willing to subject themselves to being in his company for 4 - 5 hours.

Whatever you say PUMA. (I disagree by the way). Perhaps you couldn't short. (I'll leave that there)

You have no idea who I am, or anyone else for that matter. You have no idea how much money we make (or not). You have no idea on what trades we make (short /long). You have no idea of our holdings, and you have no idea about SAR.

You were wrong on APTA. (Admit it). Own your losses. It will help you own your gains.

I give you credit though. You have me made laugh more than anyone has in the last 6 months.

Bravo!!!

Elcap

PUMa- you should have shorted APTA. You would have made some money. I was going to tell everyone to do that on the APTA bb but decided against it. If I short it that's my business, I don't need to convince others, the SP will fall (or not) I won't try and influence it one way or another. Perhaps I should have given you the heads up, you could have made some money instead of losing it.

But hey ho, you probably wouldn't have listened.

Elcap

PUMA - and 4thly because my Mum wouldn't let me.

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You ok? Have you recoverd from covid?

MAJW - Maybe you will win in the shortterm and I will win in the longterm. Maybe you will win in the shortterm, switch to being a buyer and also win (like me) in the longterm.

I don't care whether you win twice, win once or not at all. I only care if I end up a winner.

Ultimately I think SAR will succeed. I'm in until the end one way or another.

Elcap

MAJW - Not much selling either. We must be on the horizontal slow paced death spiral, according to PUMA we were going on the scariest helterskelter death spiral. This ride's boring. PUMA can I have my money back this rides pants.

You think COPL looks sexy. should hjave seen it 6 weeks ago when SP was at 1.5p. rather than the 4.3 it currently is.

Again PUMA - You have stated a fact that the only way in down for the foreseeable. You also state that those who had taken your advice would now be better off. - Are you a finanical advisor? Are you qualified to give financial advice? Again I have no interest if you have a made £100, £1,000 or a £100k shorting this. And when you switch from short to long you may get it right. You may also get it wrong. I am happy to hold and top up whenever I feel it is right to do so.

The difference is I am not telling everyone else to do the same as me, I'm not telling them they are all wrong if they want to employ a different strategy. You are telling everyone that.

And that's the bit I find manipulative, arrogant, self serving and underhand. But hey, that's me, it takes all sorts. I think there are afair few others who think the same. (in fact probably the majority). And you say your son would know exactly what your moniker is as soon as he read your posts. And he would find it amusing. Nuff said. It speaks volumes.

Elcap

Silverfoil - his logic is binary. He says SP is going to drop so everyone should sell and buy back at a lower price. Then keeps telling us why he is right and we are wrong.

for example he said: "So if you believe in the company, surely you’re better off selling here and buying back at a lower price. Then you end up with more shares and make more money eventually if there is good news.

Somebody tell me the flaw in this logic".

In theory he is right of course. However what he is not grasping is that I am happy with my holding and with the price i bought them at. I don't want to take a risk (no matter how small he perceives that risk to be) to be out of this share when a uber positive RNS is released. I don't have the advantage of insider knowledge, so I prefer my strategy. That is the flaw in his logic. However he does not seem to understand this very simple point. I'm not selling so today's price is irrelevant to me. It just represents a top up opportunity because in the long run, when I do sell i think the SP will be much higher than todays SP. I'm not looking to realise my profits now, I am a long term investor, I will top up when I can.

For the record I am not saying he is wrong, I am saying I am not wrong. That is where Puma nad I differ. I understand his postiion but he doesn't understand mine. That's not a failing of my intellect it's a failing of his. He's asks the question, I answer it but he can't seem to accept the answer.

Puma - you failed to answer eith or my questions. Which I think speaks volumes. I haven't lost any monet until I sell, you fail to grasp that point. You say you are not in until the end. Well I am, and I think my strategy will make me more than enough money thank you. I am hopeful that it will do so in the right time scales for me. (everyone has a different time scale and need).

Personally I have a very well paid job, the shares are something I love doing but are not my "bread & butter", it looks like for you shares are your bread & butter. That's fine, good luck. I don't need the shortterm stress of shorting, buying, shorting, buying, posting a million times a day, constantly obsessing with the markets, it a side hustle for me. I've been doing it 10-12 years now and I've made afair amount of cash (for me anyway). Shouting everyone down, telling everyone they're wrong and you're right is playground stuff. It's says more about you than it does anyone else. Who cares if the SP drops in the short term, I think it will ultimately rise significantly from here, I'm in no rush to sell any so I'll just recognise it for what I believe it to be, which is an opportunity to get more shares at a low price and I'll accumulate.

You might be right, in the shortterm you will probably make more money from shares than me. Good luck to you. I don't care one way or the other. The only thing I am concerned with is me making enough money for me within the right timescales.

It sounds like your lad got good grades if you were out celebrating. Good for him. Perhaps you should let him read all these posts, don't tell him what you're moniker is and ask who he thinks, out of everyone on here he has least respect for. You might not like the answer.

GLA

Elcap

*like not lie

Looks lie previous thread was removed. So thought I'd post again as interested in Puma'sresponse.

Puma - I can't lose on my trade either as have made far more than my original investment (which I took out ages ago) so I too am on a free ride. Theonly way I lose my equity is if the SP goes to ZERO, you lose your equity if the a deal is done at £14 (thought I'd use the same number for a deal as you).

My question is 2 fold:

1) What is more likely? The company going under or a Deal?

2) What has the greater amount of profit attached to it if held to the end? Your short or my long?

When you have those answers it might give a little insight into why I am not selling and in fact will top when in the .7's, .6's, .5's etc.

You clearly have your strategy and I clearly have mine. Neither is necessary wrong. I think mine will ultimately carry less risk and more reward. You think yours is the best for you.

I am happy with my strategy and you with yours, what I don't understand is why you are insisting you are right and I am wrong.

GLA

Elcap

I don't want to hold any less shares than I currently hold. in fact I want to hold more. So question for me isn't: How many should I sell now and at what price should I buy back in at?

The actual question is: How many shares should I buy to top up my holdings and at what price?

I'll buy some in the .8's, and if it drops into the .7's I'll buy some more, I will continue to do so in the .6's, .5's etc if thats as far it falls.

Ultimately I think I will make serious money whatever price I buy them at. But obviously I also want to maximise the return on my investment. But I'm not going to reduce my holding.

Elcap