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There’s a loose guideline from the SFO that they will only look at cases ‘involving 10’s of millions of £’s’ and so it could then be that the c.£9M that the Pi’s spent, does not meet their criteria, for those that believed the Onitor phase was a scam (extremely difficult to prove) and used this as core to any complaint.
The 2nd phase then saw an alleged SaaP & DaaP deal arising off the algorithms that Onitor used (from 7 years ago) and with this, there are then ctag notices pertaining to $50M having been deposited & which are supported by the monthly updates of ‘the cheques are in the post’.
This too likely fails to meet the SFO criteria for a ‘serious or complex fraud’ with any possible non-payments of dividends / income, then being relegated to either a civil court claim for a fraud claim centred on tort of deceit (balance of probabilities) or via criminal court (beyond reasonable doubt).
As it currently stands, there exists a very high probability that the next ABH notice will again correlate to ‘the cheque is in the post’.
Lol, but not quite bud, more the ‘wee shuggie’ with a healthy mix of the Black Douglas (wolf of Badenoch) when he then finds a bee in his bonnet.
IF you take anything from tonight, then take ‘the debt owed’ and its legal standing.
Tony T., per your ‘ahead of the curve’ which then sees you as the most recent shareholder to raise your concern to the SFO. In other words, right at the very back of the curve.
And what you then spectacularly miss is the subsequent posts questioning the integrity of the SFO senior managers, past & present.
A “keyboard warrior” indeed.
Raises the question as to what offends you the most : Pi’s posting their opinions or Pi’s finding fault with ABH ?
The SFO chair, has likely not improved.. it is now the ex chief constable of the local home county, who has taken on the role. Apparently a 3% success rate for solving burglaries is considered sufficient.
You so very quickly revert to nonsense. Or a sharper man than myself might consider the cat has got her claws out ?
The subject was centred on your opinion that SFO had effectively signed off ABH with ‘no evidence of fraud’.
I highlighted Tony T’s shallow depth of understanding and his likely shallow request of the SFO.
The two issues are related.
Given that Trombone implies that he is the only sincere investor on this bb and that the rest of us who enquired of the SFO are nothing more than keyboard warriors, then it doesn’t take too much reasoning to work out the depth of detail that he likely supplied to the SFO. “Dear chaps, there are some keyboard warriors suggesting that Amit Ben Haim is a smoke & mirrors sky-fairy. Could you look into. T xxx “
How long to sort out anomalies ? Good question.
I’d disagree. It lends itself yet further to the ongoing deceit which could be summarised by a slight change in the syntax on all of ABH’s notices, to then simply read as “the cheque is in the post” :
1st June 2023 ABH: ‘we expect the fund distribution process to be fulfilled within 4 weeks..’ correlates to ‘the cheques get posted in 4 weeks’.
2nd Nov 2023 ABH: ‘we will commence the distribution process 13 November… Payment will be made to nominated shareholder bank accounts and investment platforms 4 to 5 weeks after the process commences.’ which correlates to ‘the cheques will get sent 1 week before Christmas’
21st Nov 2023 ABH: ‘pleased to confirm the distribution began its proceedings on time & will take around 5 weeks to complete’ which correlates to ‘cheques will arrive 1 week before Christmas’
21st Dec 2023 ABH: ‘in a position to transfer funds week ending 19 January 2024’ correlates as ‘cheques will be in the post, January’
19th Jan 2024 ABH: ‘affirm to establish contact with shareholders by 31st January 2024’ correlates as ‘cheques might be in the post February’
4th March 2024 ABH: ‘in a position to distribute licensing funds and conclude the process during the next 7 days’ correlates as ‘cheques will be sent next week’
8th March 2024 ABH: ‘to reiterate that the process shall conclude within the original time frame’ correlates as ‘cheques will be in the post in 3 days’
10th April 2024 ABH: ‘the agent has the funds’ correlates as ‘cheques may soon be in the post’
It can then be guaranteed 100% that the next notice will again have a variant of “the cheque is in the post”.
Similar result to Trombone.
Progression then sees concern being raised with the failure of CTAG to pay its debts ie. the non-payment of owed dividend / income payments. Which again appears to be centred on the tort of deceit ; fraud.
That is wrong, that the shareholders continue to believe. Hence why the regulatory bodies have been contacted from multiple sources with concerns of fraud.
Really not sure what he is playing at but there is a very strong suspicion of deceit being employed.
Anything that can show proof of substance in anything that Amit Ben Haim has posted, is then worth exploring.
Fraud also encompasses scientific achievements.
Where the fraud is a deception for the aim of enhancing prestige.
And so incurs a degree of mental frailty,
The most recent anomaly is perhaps the lack of any development between agent and brokers :
The book is closed so we know exactly how many shares are in circulation and exactly how much each share earns as a dividend/ income (debt owed).
There is then a trust fund already set up to hold the dividend/ income owed to the unknown shareholders.
Amit Ben Haim yet again induces delays. His weak link is that the dividend/ income is officially ‘debt owed’ ie he is now liable to pay. There is nothing stopping the agent forwarding those debt payments to the known shareholders.
“Fraud” is then one if several possibilities and so can not be ignored.
Certainly raises an interesting perspective is whether one could then expect to see any humility from ABH, given his regular humiliating recklessness with the truth ?
Lol and still here we all are, 7 years later.
For distribution proceedings to have started, as per 21st November 2023, then the conditions had been met to release the deposit [$50M] from 3rd party escrow.
16 Jan 2024 & ‘the company is delighted to confirm that agreement has now been reached in principle with the buyer [DaaP $225M] to apply a rate of interest..’
Whatever is the reason behind the delay (& don’t meaninglessly quote ‘NDA’ (at least not for the released licence fee)) be it for gaining interest payments or be it for trousering the transfer fee, or be it for funding Impulse, there is a machiavellian approach to the endless notices with their consistent agendas of recklessness with the truth.
Its a sad probability. Living in the shadows of SBH.
The odds imv have increased for the Pi’s but there is an ongoing deceit behind these multiple delays.
Possibly the delay is related to ‘trousering the $2M transfer fee’ or possibly due to collecting the accrued interest rate payments on $50M to $275M deposits.
Or as some suggest, bank-rolling Impulse..
The odds imv have increased in favour of the shareholders.
As seen yesterday, some peeps went to town with social media correspondence that then linked in UK journalists and UK regulatory bodies to the alleged shenanigans occurring here. This imv needed implenting, ie ut was the correct way forward to then try obtain a response.
What was ABH’s response ? And it was a moan at the ctag inner-circle for revealing the most recent time-frames (which of course then went the same way as every one of the time-frames he has issued over the last 8 years) which then, in comparison to the overall charges of multiple fraudulent behaviour, was a relatively minor demeanour [as an isolated incident but when taken as a large multiple occurrence, it seriously harms the Pi’s]
This then was a rather strange response, when figuratively speaking, he was being placed in front of the firing squad on multiple fraudulent charges. Or he could of course be barking mad.
Which again increase the odds of a payout, albeit smaller & i suspect it will be a case (Civil) of first in, first out..
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results’. AlbertE.
Which perhaps helps explain the recent head wobble that Chandra displayed; removing himself as the unofficial spokesperson for Amit Ben-Haim. Hopefully he recovers.
Nice to see though that the insanity of waiting over 8 years on the arrival of any notice which resembles the truth from ABH, is not so contagious amongst the twitter crew, with a direct line being opened to the nation’s journalists in addition to the SFO.
Excellent original thinking on a new approach which might then see Amit Ben-Haim, at last taking responsibility.
Forever the stalker Whispering.
That's a luxury given to those unable to grasp the logical reality.
:)
‘’Just spoke to Amit. He told me contacts will start tonight.."
& so no surprise when yet another false lead is aired. Albeit it wasn’t so much as just another monotonous false notice but was rather obviously, an exceedingly blatant falsehood. An intriguing development then. Lol.
It says much on the quality of that inner circle of Ctag confidants, where with even the very bare minimum of precautions, they might then have taken at least some token consideration, as to the actual reality of anything getting started on a late Friday pm.
A shocking lack in situational awareness (one wonders just how many wine o’clock burgundy bottles were disposed of yesterday pm, both on & off the bb?). Fingers crossed there are at least some clear heads next week, with hopefully at long last, some form of conclusion developing. Be that financially, legally or socially..
"..Just spoke to Amit. He told me contacts will start tonight.."
The probability certainly exists, that perhaps he was just ratted.
That 3rd bottle perhaps.