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Yes, the self-isolation crisis, ping-demic MKII. The point is, these people have mild to no symptoms. No symptoms, no sneezing, no coughing, just like pre-covid there is no reason not to continue with your duties. The hysterical panic response to omicron has meant it is being dealt with like delta. Need som rapid U turns on the self-isolation. I'll give a nod to the UK for reducing quarantine form 10 to 7 days, no they need to bite the bullet and float the idea, no symptoms, no quarantine. Let the headless chickens run riot in the media for a couple of days to come to terms with it, then go ahead an implement the policy.

awe chucks! bringing a tear to my eye with all these nice comments...
.... wait a minute, what do want? Nobody ever says nice things without trying to get something these day....

Me? Off topic? Really?

https://news.sky.com/video/finland-man-blows-up-tesla-with-30kg-of-dynamite-after-getting-16-000-repair-bill-12503301

You have one election left before you are all forced to drive these useless pieces of crap - note the battery replacement bill! Other cars maybe cheaper, but they will always be thousands of pounds at a time, will always need replacing far more frequently than any fantasy the dealer sells you and the vast majority of commuters essential to make the country and society happen will never be able to afford these running costs. It is a mad policy to outlaw internal combustion engines and the policy must be terminated asap. Love the video!

That was funny Dan about Putin and the Metro. The 'asylum' bit was only a very small part. The bit that has got everybodies backs up is that the UK parliament was nothing a rubber stamp authority of whatever came out of the commission, however unsuitable for the UK. The border issue was to do with the accession states when they joined the free movement area but all the other states put embargoes on them for two years but the UK under Blair was instructed to absorb all the migrant workers and Blair just keeled over without question. That ****ed off a LOT of people. Also not having a vote on the Maastricht treaty whilst most of Europe had one, and not being allowed to vote on the imposition of the EU constitution in 2008 (which Brown signed alone after the others - remember) when the commission abandoned all votes after France rejected it. After being continually denied a vote, people turned to UKIP as an expression. Cameron had to risk a fluke general election result anti-EU vote puting Farage in number 10. Europe had their chance to do some reforms that most of Europe wanted but by then the EU had turned into a soviet republic and there was no flexibility with the states. And one other fallacy about the Brexit result. A very significant section of the leave vote expected trouble when leaving and for some years a reduced economy in retaliation for leaving. But the desire to be out and return to independence was bigger than any EU carrot. This is the case all over the EU now. We in the UK were not outliers, we just did it first.

I take it Danphonic, you voted 'remain' per chance?

I'm not getting into Brexit good or bad but I voted leave. The point being made is that eventually, even with the most delicate nudge theory, if you keep using it people eventually notice they are some distance away policy wise from where they started and there is an awareness that leads to kicking back against the entire relocation. In the context of omicron this process is underway in various guises and in terms of travel stocks the unwinding of the position back to true free flying might happen very quickly. Especially when it is exposed that all the travel restrictions of late are designed to dissuade people flying and nothing to do with public health.

Of course Brexit is another recent example, and a continuing example with all the exit movements in Europe now.

I will cite fordm the former soviet union. At some point the mass of people 'wake up' or become aware of their situation. They may well look for another sheep to follow in another field but there is a tipping point where the sheep decide they have had enough and go elsewhere, but as a flock. They don't necessarily make a good decision though, Putin.

Yes fact,
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/nudge-unit
Gove is an avid supporter and uses it to basically manage the population on some grand ego trip. That is why he must go. He is causing all manner of trouble and costing us billions in travel.

Jtan, I think there is nothing left to scaremonger, the truth is well and truly out, it is now part of the narrative and every new day of data points to more and more positives as the huge exponential rise in cases has not materialised, it was physically impossible but that isn't being reported. There is only one way for this to go now.

That light at the end of the tunnel is taking on a distinctive warm glow. I'm not the only one that can see it.

https://www.newsweek.com/christmas-eve-united-airlines-delta-jetblue-flights-canceled-update-1662950?piano_t=1

And another new year prediction, self-isolation to be significantly amended, perhaps to only isolating with symptoms, as if staying off work with a heavy cold or flu.

"Spare a thought for us poor Scots. " I shall raise a glass to you in the nightclub on the gong. Have a good one in your tenement bloke, lol!

Even nudge theory burns out. The whole point of nudge theory is that very small changes are made to policy that are barley noted in changing behaviour. The idea is that people are slowly nudged towards a big change in small incremental steps over a long time base. But as found with the EU, over several decades populations were nudged along form a common market to full political integration. People were always able to see where they were now to where they started and say too much. It is the same all over Europe. With the sabotage of travel, and the other restrictions due to covid nudge theory policy, once people notice the policy, as in start to question 'why is this required' then the behaviour becomes conscious and people start to reject it.

Nudge theory was a concept that had a few followers and one or two experiments appeared to show it had the ability to manipulate people without them knowing and hence not rebelling. Like all of these mind control, behaviour control ideas, they are just academic ideas that never work in the real world because people are just too diverse in their opinions. And the likes of the Behavioural Policy Unit in Downing St have it in their thick heads they are actually influencing people and start to make the nudges bigger and bigger and believe because people are wearing masks that the nudges must be working. Except for most it had to be made law, not nudge theory, and most have been terrified to believe they are going to die if they don't. Eventually people get over that fear and start questioning. One of the most important exit strategies for post covid is to get rid of the BPU, which won't happen of course because they actually believe they have an effect.

Just one of the many things to consider in the 360 when looking at the recovery in your airline shares. It is why I am increasingly bullish, because what appears at this moment to be set in stone, is actually wet sand!

The testing is a nudge theory method to make travel more expensive and more troublesome specifically to discourage it. The PCR is to allow the those who do travel to be used as lab rats in a mega science experiment that could never have been imposed without the pandemic. There are many vested interests in the travel testing, but as pointed out, certain ministers are questioning all the expert advice and starting to push back. I expect the UK to remove the testing very early in the New Year IF NOT BEFORE ------ in the middle of a media storm trying to force England to lockdown New Year's eve there is instead an announcement to remove permanently all travel testing to grab the headlines instead? You heard the idea here first!

Something else playing out with the new narrative, mild but as deadly, is the bigger UK politics. Scotland , Wales and NI have opted for New Year lockdowns. There is therefore pressure to have England fall in line so the leaders of the devolved assemblies don't look like muppets. From Boxing day onwards, expect a torrent of heavy handed pr from all sides trying to push the England government to lockdown New Year's eve. However, after that I think there is going to be a very rapid backpedaling on restrictions including travel because all time will have run out for the new narrative to stand up and the SA data will show the pandemic is frankly over. How quickly that spreads around the world is a factor in sp though but after the clean up has finished from the global rioting on New Year's eve I suspect there will be a lot of politicians turning on the expert community, a lot of scapegoating and many restrictions planet wide being lifted by mid January. But there are going to be some very intense and turbulent weeks ahead of that - thankfully the markets will be closed for much of it.

fordm, it has been the way throughout that the testing inconvenience puts off a lot of travel. But the sudden changes to status resulting in people being put into quarantine or suddenly unable to travel is the big killer. And it has been deliberately designed to do that as travel has been especially singled out for direct sabotage from the nudge theory unit in government. Ad just like the expert community unwilling to let go of the power they have suddenly found themselves with, the nudge theory is also going to keep wanting to control populations. Few involved in this saga or doing it wholly for the benefit of others, there is a streak of megalomania in all of us and those who rarely get to issue the diktats tend not to want to let go once they have started. We will need direct intervention on the experts and on the nudge theory unit to pull back to normality. I don't see evidence that the issue is yet recognised fully, a few ministers are raising the issue of trust and one or two experts. But the conversation has a long way to go and direct action will ultimately have to be taken to push certain experts out and subdue the nudge theory unit.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-australia-wa-faces-fresh-delta-outbreak-with-5-new-cases/WEQD4ABL32JM5NJKWQJXPDG43U/

And the consequences of trying to stop the spread of any virus. The inevitable is catching up with Australia, Delta is making a comeback. Both Australia and New Zealand only succeeded in putting the inevitable population infection back a year at huge economic and social cost. They now need to go through what the rest of the world has gone through. There is no evading a contagious virus.

The question now Sapr is how much of the previous 'advice' was doctored to specifically direct government policy? I keep banging on about climate change and that questions is much more pertinent in that respect because the environmentalist movement is first political and the science and facts comes way down the list. The expert community is being outed here and I wonder how long SAGE is disbanded.

There is another odd narrative developing. Apparently only 'young' people are being infected and older people are going to be infected latter and THEN we will see the hospitals overloaded and piles of dead in the streets. I didn't realise the virus had the ability to discriminate like that. So what date will it start attacking the over 60's? 3rd January or 4th?

nice find moonkshood, interesting graphs in there, although just glancing through it the flu claim could have legs.

How different would the stats look and the responses be if flu was given this degree of scrutiny [pre covid] looking at vaccines and flu boosters, where the flu is picked up and all the rest? I bet it would look exactly the same. Indeed there are some in the field saying openly this is just a flu but they are not yet allowed in the headlines.

One thing is becoming very apparent, these experts do not tolerate being questioned about their results. They do seem to think whatever they say is sacrosanct and no cross-examination is allowed. They do seem to think if they issue a diktat, it is to be followed without question. The 'expert opinion' is being challenged, pretty late in the day if you ask me. With luck, this will spread and the bare faced lying and mass fraud in the climate change con will also get similar treatment and some of those money grubbing climate scientists get put in the dock and held to account for the money pocketed and huge waste of resources on the crap forced on us. Covid is literally the tip of a proverbial iceberg!