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Correct brom, and you will note that the video and still picture released by 88e of the flare in action, also showed these in place and in the vertical. whilst the other did not.
Flaring would have been over a short ~14 hr window, quite the coincidence . Possible but as stated a reason to be wary of a new picture source poster, with these missing
21:25
Those "sandhoppers" where bulk trailers at 90 degrees not fixed hoppers, given the volume of fraccing sand used its qute possible that they could have been off site being filled or just dropped onto wheels and legs.
Video released by 88E walking round Hickory-1 clearly showed the trailers.
Triumph1
After discarding the personal attacks, there is only one point remaining. That being the significant delay to the testing schedule 88e advised. Following this and adjusting for known slippage they would indeed have been in the 2 day pressure recovery phase. In which the well is shut in, again a reasonable forecast
Ohhh personal attack was it olderwiser? Everything is a personal attack now is it? is that all you can say? Lets all have a minutes silence for the "personal attacks" on poor olderwiser. Shall we call it sympathy minute? Every day, lets all bow our heads and feel sorry for the "personal attacks" poor olderwiser has to endure. haha what a pithy, predictable response. Step aside jellyfish, i have just found a new contender for an organism with even less vertibrae who cannot seem to take criticism, and labels it as a "personal attack". Lets not go there old chap, you will lose that arguement 10 times out of 10, and be ripped a new one in the process so bad that you will never be able to sit down again. So stop hiding behind phrases like "personal attack" and take your dressing down and criticism where you have been caught out like a man.
The photos uploaded there goes through vetting before being posted by a respectable forum administrator, and would be removed proptly if fake! Ignorance of how a particular platform vets photos is NO EXCUSE for your reckless disinformation campaign. Oh no, i called you ignorant. Im so sorry for the "personal attack". And i called you reckless. Shame on me for criticising your misinformation.
March 25th "Which means the well has already been shut in, so nothing is now returning to surface. There will be no flare for Dalton highway users to photograph". But something did return to the surface, didnt it?
One of the many examples of your bread and butter BS deramping off the collar comments: "Despite the wording in the RNS, A dead cat bounce in play, unbelievable stuff"...this was after 88e rising in anticipation of first flow result where olderwiser was convinced that an RNS was worded as such to be a precursor to failure. Unbelievable stuff indeed!
The very first comment by olderwiser when the picture of the flare was posted: "That looks fake, different reddit site and where are the great big obvious sand hoppers, as seen in the other site pictures" ....You really let your true intentions slip on that one, because naturally an impartial person (which you self proclaim to be but proven to the contrary) immediately falls on a particular side of a fence haha. Because obviuusly sand hoppers are permanent fixtures on site that dont move at all (sarcastic) despite the photo you used to cross reference against the flare photo was taken 2 weeks prior where it would have perfectly logical to assume sand hoppers would be removed when no longer required. Permission to call your analysis presumptious, misinformation spreading, poorly analysed and wrongly concluded? Or will you hide behind and stick to the "personal attack" narrative you and scot seem to peddle?
Flaregate indeed. You are not winning anyone over with your cries of "personal attack". It just makes you look even more arrogant; somebody who cannot accept criticism and admit when they are wrong. A very bad look for you. Grow-up-and-becomewiser olderwis
Stas20
That was a whole lot of nothing but personal attack, but there two specifics to address
"Olderwiser has been shown to relay false information on several occasions, notably how when the photo of the gas flare appeared, posted by a respectable member of another forum, olderwiser automatically dismissed it as fake with zero evidence. Olderwiser was also attempting to convince everyone that the upper SFS was a complete duster because of how some RNS's were worded.. If that is not disruptive, abrasive and ultimately WRONG, then what is? "
Re flare
I was suspicious of the flare picture, so stated it LOOKED fake, I then gave a reason, that being the large sandhoppers were strangely missing, when compared to other pictures of the site, taken by the poster that had been maintaining coverage.
Even now it is debatable. it was a new poster that put up the picture, all of the other pictures, released by 88e of the actual flare also clearly showed the sand hoppers in place. Making it a remarkable co incidence that this one random posters picture, captured in the 14 hours of potential flaring, did not display the sand hoppers, while all the others did
It that proves to be an error, it was a reasonable one
Reading and interpreting 88e's earlier RNS , to the results RNS, as indicating the USFS result was likely to be weak, has in fact turned out to be an accurate prediction. It is highly gassed and the test was cut short after a calculated oil cut period of only 14 hrs in which it produced 24.8 barrels of oil, but never got to a announceable sustainable flow to report
Such as good post by triumph on the 88e board about scot and olderwiser it just couldn't go without being shared where it rightly belongs.
"Indeed. you and your alter ego olderwiser have almost single handedly turned both 88e and PANR boards into a complete and utter s***shows. And for what? Your opinions still mean jack squat! Your endless repetitive posts seriously rub people up the wrong way. Very very abrasive, non constructive, disrespectful, self-righteous and arrogant. Terrible traits. You two should be ashamed. How the f do you expect people to react when you two constantly bombard the board with the same BS day in and day out? You expect civility from others when you treat their personal choices with such discontent? Who do you think you are? You have lost a lot of money already on PANR, the market still values 88e on a per barrel basis higher and you still have ZERO explanation for this despite for years you saying this will change. Seems like you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are, and you have made some very poor choices yourself! Ironically, if you spent more time watching PANR, maybe you could have actually traded and made money with your self proclaimed analytical prowess (trying not to spill my drink with laughter). Anyone could have told you PANR would drop back from its 40p high last week. After all, making money is what we are all here for is it not? Perhaps you forgot that?
You are fooling nobody by disgusing your hundreds of posts here as "relaying facts" and naturally self anointing yourselves as guardians of the "inferior PIs who are too stupid to make decisions for themselves", and defenders of the faith that is PANR. In nearly 10 years on this board, i can honestly say you two are up there as the one of the worst disruptors. Far far worse than any "ramper" could ever be.
Olderwiser has been shown to relay false information on several occasions, notably how when the photo of the gas flare appeared, posted by a respectable member of another forum, olderwiser automatically dismissed it as fake with zero evidence. Olderwiser was also attempting to convince everyone that the upper SFS was a complete duster because of how some RNS's were worded.. If that is not disruptive, abrasive and ultimately WRONG, then what is?
In this world, you tend to treat how one is treated scot! When you throw thorns, dont expect roses in return, then act thick as to why others are so hostile towards you both. From now on, every post you make that is repetitive in nature will be reported for disruption to the general peace and harmony of the board because you seriously disrupt the flow, and posting in very bad faith. I would recommend everyone do the same, and eventually these posters will recieve the permanent ban they deserve!
Theres a way to go about spreading wisdom and knowledge in a far more respectable manner. The way you two have gone about this is dispicable and completely uncalled for."
Hey Banditputin1, ever thought the market could be wrong?
I suspect some investors in 88E are attracted by the fact they are able to purchase huge numbers of shares for very little outlay!
No putin, you cannot deny there has been no increase in the Mangrove short since September 2023, which makes you a bare faced liar, as quoted
Weasel words wont change any of that
As to the other point, if 88e is so highly valued, why is the market cap so low
Could it be the small amount of questionable resource, amazing though it is that on a per barrel basis, the hype value still sticks, after all these disappointments
Putin..
what are you talking about????
i havent once talked about a panr/88e comparison.
maybe you should think before you type.
Putin
And the answer to that is obviously NO......So stop posting stuff as fact that you cannot support
Banditputin1 and stas20 are just another of many altruistic traders just looking out for everyone's interest here taking his/her time to provide in-depth knowledge and wisdom about a stock they have no interest in but just feel like they need to share their (negative) POV on....Please note: this comment is called being sarcastic in case youre too simple to understand that.
Let me tell you what happens next...go look at NVDA and thats what happens to you next GL!
Badputin
Let the evidence speak for itself then
https://shorttracker.co.uk/manager/the-mangrove-partners-master-fund-ltd/
Putin
I listened and read the words of the board.I then made my decision.I have no idea if i will be correct,but if they do pull it off,i think i am going to be extremely happy.I believe everyone should fully research the company themselves and make their own decision.
You on the other hand seem to speak as if you know factually the outcome.
So if i listen to you and sell but you are wrong, will you compensate me?
Badputin
I am looking at the Mangrove short data, and their last unfortunate increase was on 11/09/2023 where they added 0.1%
You are on the PANR board now, lies are not encouraged
What badputin is very sure of means nothing
The market will address the insanity in valuing a high risk low value 88e barrel, above a PANR going into production barrel soon enough, thats the why of investing in the undervalued share, are you new to investing ?
Even in the unlikely event where no external funding is agreed, PANR is still fine, 50% more shares, 33% dilution would get to self sufficiency in cash flow. Thats how good these 4000 bopd IP 30 wells will be
Badputin
Lets see now, you think
Securing funds to buy production so PANR can exploit its vast, high flow oil resources will drive the share price down
You don't trust PANR management, who write clear RNS's and treat their investors with respect, buy into the company at scale, but do trust 88e, management where only one BOD member owns any shares, plan to gift themselves 10% of the company as performance shares, and write an RNS that is so spun, people still think 4 is 50
Mangrove are looking a bit sick IMO, if they know so much they would have closed at ~10p
Everyone should stay away, Ah I remember getting the same advice at 10p
Wibble? :)
Bandit….
You put a compelling case forward 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe you should try putting pencils in your ears and tissue up your nose and mutter Dibble…..
Stas..is only interested in blasting out charts on here and claims he just decided to randomly do charts on Panr...no charts on its neighbours 88E or anyone else for that matter.
H claims to have no bias but wants to defend 88E...why is that???
why is it that he claims no bias and has no short in panr,but he simply woke up one morning and said i know how to fill my days i am going to start doing charts and then keep pushing them.
Not sure how,but his random choice was to select Panr and ignore all other stocks and to spend his time pushing their sp demise.
Has he listened to the webinars??
Why didnt his charts predict their rise to 40 p plus?Why does he care about 88E?
Stas20, badputin
Simple explanation, I do good analysis, and help fill the gaps on both shares, the difference is on 88e I have run foul of a cohort of pumpers, that have no plan other than to fleece the less informed.
Yes it takes a lot of posting to keep up with the scoundrels, boy can they pump out some misinformation
Any way doing my best, and guess what 100% on the money re 4 barrels of oil over 16 hours from the SMDB flow test, not 50 bopd as the pumpers are even now claiming can be multiplied up by 12 to predict a horizontal flow rate. In fact generally on the money all over
The average honest investor there had a chance to know this early because people like me can be bothered
Your campaign of insults, character assassination and foul motive attribution has failed, if anything it just hardens my resolve
Stas
Are you invested in 88e
You might as well have the tag name s punk trumpet, slightly beats the vlad the poisoner tag.
"Stas20 posts here in an attempt to intimidate posters like myself, who are affecting his pump and dump plan"
I've never heard so much rubbish, more like trying to effect your shorting plan, otherwise you can explain to everyone here why
1. you are not apparently invested in 88e, but you are in Panr, but, in comparison, you hardly post here
2. in the last 30 days you have posted approx 10 times more posts on a stock you are not invested in against the one you are.
3. Every posts you place on 88e is negative and now equates to almost 300 posts, take that in!
4. you post day and night on a stock you supposedly have no financial interest in, how many hours now!
5. You also post all negative to 88e on Hotcopper so you really are doing the rounds of forums in trying to help your fellow man!
6. your claim to be protecting the shareholders there, were you warning shareholders here that were buying in 2020 at 130p
OlderWiser you are full of bull as is likely even your choice of alias name.
Stas20 posts here in an attempt to intimidate posters like myself, who are affecting his pump and dump plan
I am sorry that he is here but such is the price of freedom
Stas...So why are you so protective of 88E??
If you have no bias against Panr why do you continue to post?
Are you on a mission?
Emyem79 - For accuracy, I stated the other day, " I shall cease my input on this board, .....unless of course Scot and olderwiser that have absolutely no financial interest in 88e continue their attack there."
OlderWiser has no less than 12 posts on 88e this morning alone - some might say rein your dog in!
However, I have at least not made any post here other than pure technical analysis which if you read it you would note that it should be of value to ALL whether you are long or short, so no bias even from me. I have made no comment about the fundamentals of Panr, whether I think it overvalued or mentioned a placing.
I would say I am absolutely restrained and have kept to my word, not like the out of control OlderWiser who seem incapable of leaving other shares alone even when he is uninvested.