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Hmmm it never takes negative news well , but it is very volatile anyway never much volume needed to move it either way , still going to plummet from here I think 120 maybe , that's ok , if it's hads good has they say someone will buy it out .just an opinion dyor
I have not either bought or sold any but just watched my worldly wealth go up and down, I do not blame the company for kicking non profitable work into the dustbin. It can often prove a clever move. Time will tell but in the meantime I will just keep a watching eye here.....
Been here since 2016, and never seen such bad price reaction … The BOD need to do something or else this is going to get really bad
IMO The bottom line is that we deliberately dumped a marginal customer for reasons explained re: profitability. The fact the Board did this indicates a position of strength in the wider portfolio and progress for diversification. We have yet to see how that plays out in coming days in the announcement but for me the intrinsic worth of ITX assets is above current share price, but do your own research, on the science , patented chemistry and recent data/CEO messaging.
Hi. I did not first call out Dr Greg, it was another person on this BB. The product range is quite diverse and seemed to fit circumstances but others can comment if the customer was another one.
Hi JD
That was me who put that forward as a likely candidate, based on the length of time we have dealt with them and the current state of play on their website, looks a bit chaotic?
Have had a look at the proactive interview again and the RNS, but cannot see any mention of a dishwasher tablet customer being mentioned?
"it has been unable to reach satisfactory commercial terms with one of its major existing merchandizing customers in North America for supply in 2024"
I have only put this forward as a very possible candidate for consideration/Investigation.
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AJT
Hi Elsol - how confident are you identifying DG as the lost customer?
Perhaps I've missed something here, but his company product range doesn't include dishwasher detergent, only laundry detergent and definitely no tablets whatsoever to be found anywhere.
Rest of your comments great! - thank you and keep them coming....
Thanks Bod, small caps are a massive gamble either way. Probably like you, always thinking ITX is less of a risk compared to the rest.
Smart.
My top ups on drops are always conservative, no one knows when the falling knife has reached its destination.
I will keep the majority of my top ups for post trading update, and pile in if prudent.
ATB.
Takes a brave person to catch a falling knife. I’m waiting on the sidelines until we bottom out which may not be until a few days after the trading update.
Good on you.
So many PIs look at high share prices and buy in, while kicking themselves for not buying at the lows, but when faced with the opportunity to buy low they don't take it because it's unpopular.
In other news: 90% of PIs lose money on the stock market.
Today's research, much appreciated.
Transition to a more lucrative customer seams to be the 'go' here.
At recent highs of 2.70, I was wishing that I'd have bght more on the previous lows, although I haven't sold any, I'm taking this sell off opportunity to increase.
ATB to us long term investors.
Hi Elsol
Thank you for supplying the BB with the information from the Broker update, it is very much appreciated.
ATB
AJP
I've just also noticed another new sales category in the Broker forecast detail - its called mysteriously "Other" and sales commence this year at $0.25m then 3x upwards in 25F, then doubles again in 26F. So something is quite close and presumably the Broker has been quite prudent at this point with the forecast est. since its a new line item. It will come from the company is my view (subtle messaging to Broker on upside).
Sorry typo Broker target 19% down not 12% .
Some more key information and thoughts to take home from the Brokers note based on further review:
1. Interestingly ITX ARE still going forward with a new production plant - that's strange isn't it given a large loss in production volumes in 2024! The capex projections for 2024/25/26 are in total c.$4m which compares to $0.8m in the prior 3 years. 500% increase in capex with a fairly low capital intensive business. Big growth plans are ahead (based on strong pipeline and smiling John on recent interviews) and as I said before in my plant capacity note - there is a near term capacity constraint (scarcity issue) and the timing of freeing plant capacity is absolutely pivotal to ITX confidently assuring new customer orders and diversification wins with the transition to higher volume diversified products (e.g. superabsorbants/paints/leather etc)
2. We could not lock in the plant for the whole of FY 2024 to a business customer that was delivering, say, 20% Gross margin - less than the average for FY22/23 for the business as a whole of c.29%. In the case of this 20% GM it is unlikely given SG&A and tax we would bearly scrape, say, a PAT 2-3% at best => low margin busy fool volume.
3. After spending the c $3m on a new plant we are still left with $c2m cash in BS in 2026 when we are op. cashflow positive.
4. Broker note made a point that the "customer" - assumed as "Dr Greg - Dear Sensitive Home" from another poster detective (which seems probable based on their web site comment around plant science and linkage to multi carbon based chemical backbone). Broker mentioned said merchandiser was trying year on year to push back the ITX commercial terms to the point of unreasonableness - The outfit seems to be quite egotisticially driven from their web site and I believe they have cut there nose off to spite their face by terminating their customer offers in favour of "detergent concentrates that use less plastic"
"You may have noticed all their products are displayed as SOLD OUT. This is because they
are making an exciting transition from diluted spray and detergents to concentrates." Good luck Greg when you lose 100% of your existing branded product lines very few businesses actually survive in the long run especially with a 6-8 month supply issue before the next launch of different products => massive loss of confidence in company
4. Price target from Conaccord Genuity is -12% down 400p - 325p - Our share price is more adverse down at this point. I still think investors don't really understand that we have significant sunk cost investments within 'In process R&D ' that is about to start selling and has reached almost launch readiness (shoes/paints/super a's). These assets have no revenues or profits but must have a material value. My guess is that its at least GBP25m (if someone wanted to step into our shoes so the speak). So the Broker -12% reflects these R&D assets and counteracts/dilutes the short SP term reaction in my view.
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I've worked in the industrial chemical sector for 35 years in both technical and commercial roles, in large multi-nationals and in small start-ups. One thing I've learnt is that you cannot charge a premium simply because your product is 'green'. Unless there is strong regulatory pressure to phase out an existing chemical, all you can really hope is that your green credentials make for a more compelling sales pitch. Yesterday's news is just further evidence that price and performance will always be the prime considerations. We operate in a low margin, volumes business and there's nothing wrong with that.
Unfortunately, ITX haven't just lost 30% of revenues with an important customer, we have lost an entire market in which we are clearly not price competitive. Believe me, all customers in this market will have exactly the same price expectations. JS has probably known this for quite a while, the inflated revenue numbers looked good on paper but were unsustainable. It finally it became time to lance the boil. I wonder how many other revenue streams are unsustainable?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting anything underhand. This is a growing company, trying to find it's niche. You need to chase the business, try to make it work, stick with it. At some point you need to accept you cannot compete in all sectors of the market. Take the hit and move on. These setbacks are necessary to mature and to realise that no matter how 'green' you may profess to be, ultimately you need to compete on price.
What worries me is that the detergent market was the one area where we were told we could compete. It would be nice to know the specifics around who the customer was and the exact application but I understand that the company are under no obligation to provide this level of detail. Clearly the company believe that the European market is different and the investment in European manufacturing capacity may not be a sign of growth but one of necessity. If so, it feels like we're starting all over again; wiser? yes! and with a decent cash pile behind us; but still a massive reset that takes us back to where we were two or three years ago.
Canaccord confirmed the loss of ITX’s single largest customer. They “accounted for around half 2023 revenue”.
2024E revenue forecast reduced from $9.5m to $6.2m
“We expect gross margin for Itaconix to be higher with other customers. However, the absolute lower revenue means a significant cut to EBITDA expectations for this year and next year”.
EBITDA 2024E reduced down from (0.8) to (1.6)
2025E reduced down from 0.2 to (0.6)
2026E 0.5
All figures US$m.
Canaccord state that they are essentially pushing numbers out one year to the right (which is what I calculated myself yesterday). Therefore 2026 is now forecast to be the first positive year.
Price target downgraded from 400p to 325p
Some positive points to cling on to:
Canaccord remain Buyers
Itaconix will remain in a substantial cash positive position throughout the forecast period thanks to the 2023 fundraise.
One to consider?
https://sensitivehome.com
Interesting headline home page?
We have had tie in here for many years, is this the costomer?
https://itaconix.com
Capital Markets Day presentation
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AJP
Agree with Chilting that we need time to really see the pros/cons of this. We all have views but can't know for sure as we don't have all the facts or a crystal ball.
I remain sceptical for now (although staying quite heavily invested).
The point about this being an ITX driven decision is only based on comms from ITX, there are two sides to a negotiation and the customer clearly thinks there may be better alternatives (whether cost or quality or whatever criteria).
My concern when I looked at this company in the past was that their margins were too low to make good profits and their costs would face inflationary pressures. This is now being addressed with the same financial year out turn but better margins.
I agree. It's definitely bad news in the short term, and so the SP has reacted.
But it's clear itx stopped the deal, not the other way round. That's very significant.
I guess we just have to trust that it was a correct long term business decision, and such up the temporary SP position. John doesn't come across as a hot head, so on balance I think this will prove to be in the long term interest of the business.
Well you never know what your getting here , but i like to think it's a case of John stuck to his guns and was confident that in the long term or maybe even in the sort term he would increase itaconix presence in other areas, and dishwasher tablets would not eventually be the main money maker . Imo dyor
Yesterdays RNS was required because the loss of the contract to supply adversely affected the company and the SP.
But, nobody can actually say if yesterdays news was a positive or negative - it all depends what happens now.
If 2024 turns out to be a step backwards - lower revenue and gross profit - then its clearly a negative.
But, if new more lucrative supply contracts are signed in the short term Itaconix will have massive spare capacity to fulfil these new contracts - this its clearly a positive.
This could even be a planned move by John for diversification away from reliance on low margin dishwasher products.
Excellent balanced post BR
Yesterday’s RNS felt like a rushed effort to get the bad news out before it leaked out. Given these negotiations must have been ongoing for some time it surprises me that the company couldn’t come out with a better statement.
“If I were CEO” I would have also said, based on our modelling our gross margin will increase from 30% to XX%.
That would have made yesterday’s bad news much more palatable.
Let’s hope that the upcoming RNS gives us this level of detail and assurance. We need clear business projections not words. Until then the share price will just drift.
When much younger, I worked in a highly profitable business that went from low volume /high margin to chase increased revenue through lower margins. It ceased trading after 2 years.