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Wellwell said:
"If you are a grown up, fully-fledged adult and you are mocking this young girl for trying to save the planet then I genuinely feel sorry for you. I also think you are incredibly cruel, vicious and ignorant."
I must admit that whoever wished that Greta Thumsuck's boat sinks is taking things a bit far. A midocean shipwreck is not something to be wished on anybody. But personally I do hope the sanctimonious little know-it-all gets seriously seasick.
All this 'saving the planet' stuff is baloney. A euphamism for keeping the planet in a condition where it can sustain the existence of an ever more populous human race. And that's a fairly tall order. When (not if) the human species becomes extinct, 'the planet' won't bat an eyelid. Probably breathe a sigh of relief, instead.
ADUK: u losing your touch !
ADUK.... That is an totally hideous thing to say about a young girl ; extreme in every sense. If you have a daughter of that age, would you speak about her in that way. The unfortunate thing is, she can't defend herself against your puerile comments. Show some maturity, dignity and good grace.
bartlebobton,
" That is an totally hideous thing to say about a young girl ; extreme in every sense."
What, hoping she gets seasick? Yup, it is rather nasty, I must admit. But at least it'll teach her that her lovely planet ain't all a garden of roses.
Or was it calling her Greta Thumsuck? I bet she's referred to in a lot worse ways in various drilling-rig 'coffee-shops'.
She's a public-figure celebrity these days anyway, so I'll mock her as much as I like. If she can't stand the heat she shouldn't be in the kitchen.
Adoubleuk: "All this 'saving the planet' stuff is baloney. A euphamism for keeping the planet in a condition where it can sustain the existence of an ever more populous human race. And that's a fairly tall order. When (not if) the human species becomes extinct, 'the planet' won't bat an eyelid. Probably breathe a sigh of relief, instead."
Whilst I disagree with your dim view of Greta (she has - after all - been packaged & publicised by an image hungry world press) she's simply fighting for something she personally believes in. At 16 with aspergers... she could still teach most politicians a thing or two and should be applauded for her efforts).
I do agree in principle with your statement above. The problem is - as always - we skirt around the issues... using global warming / pollution / food shortages / environmental damage etc... etc... when we "all" know that the real issue comes down to one thing, and one thing alone:
increased global human population!
Cure that and you "start" to heal the planet... but which politician...which country...which society is EVER going to accept that we don't have a god given human right to have as many children as we want?
So - as unpalatable as this may sound - you are correct in my opinion... we will become extinct and the planet "will" breath a long sigh of relief when we're gone.
Sad but true IMHO :-(
Yorkshirelife,
"which society is EVER going to accept that we don't have a god given human right to have as many children as we want?"
Haven't the Chinese tried it?
They did and failed ;-)
JK
If you stand on a pedestal and preach there are bound to be some who don’t agree with you. Expect the occasional milkshake.
She has chosen to make herself a public figure and should not be exempt from criticism simply because of her age.
I do wonder how she will cope with the hardships of this journey, not that I am concerned or that I wish her ill but it is pretty certain that she will be seasick for long periods. Will there be any revealing stories from crew or are they all bound by a non-disclosure contract.
JayKay,
" a 16 year old girl with Aspergers..."
Oh c'mon. Don's swallow that particular bait so easily. Asperger's is a SYNDROME, not a disease. It's a behaviour-pattern, and only recognised by the medical community in such terms in 1981.
A peer in my schooldays exhibited those traits, which unfortunately led to be him being often and cruelly teased. Nevertheless after some years of working as a wage-slave for Barclays, he went on to be managing director of a healthcare company, and now in retirement is a (paid) public speaker on classical music.
Roosevelt wasn't always attracting attention to his wheelchair, was he?
Apologies for continuing this off topic but ...
I don't think anyone on here was having a go at Greta, a 16 year old child, per se.
I admire her spirit and considerable courage in undertaking this voyage. What I don't admire and I agree fully with Divecentre and Aduk here, its not really that great to burden a 16 year old with Asperger's to convey a political message. Moreover, if I had a 16 year old daughter with Asperger's there's no way I'd allow her to head out into the Atlantic on a small yacht for two weeks.
Just to be clear I do not in any way condone the obnoxious tweet from the Brexit chap. But somewhere in between the two extremes, it is all getting a bit beyond a joke.
Jaykay, thanks, genuinely relieved to hear that.
Moving on - compared to other oil companies in our league or thereabouts, considering we've held our own pretty well here. Roll on Lincoln and another offload from Lancaster.
JayKay,
"Anyway, not a debate to be had on here... Another offload!!!!!"
I agree with you there. I waited until well after the bell before blowing off steam on this O/T 'saving the planet' topic. But I had to, because if there's anything worse than waking up, logging in here, and seeing a red SP, it's reading garbage here about 'saving the planet'.
I have spent most of my life working in oilwell drilling, taking risks (sometimes at risk of my own life) in order to provide people with the most energy-efficient power-source to the world (though I didn't think of things in those terms on a day-to-day basis while having fun on the rigfloor), and I drive a beaten-up old diesel-powered rangerover and am proud of such things.
The tree-huggers just get up my nose bigtime, and I don't mind admitting that. For the simple reason that the placard-wavers are as thick as a plank of wood, and have no real understanding of how things work right now, let alone a workable solution to the problems which actually do exist.
One may fairly safely assume that anyone posting here is doing so on a computer, and it's taken a lot of hydrocarbon-burning machines to mine the minerals the thing's made of, power the factories they're made in, produce the plastic the casing's made of, and so on.
In case it's escaped anyone's attention, today is the 50th anniversary of the Woodstock Festival. The high point of the hippies! Some of whom, later, in the aftermath of Altamont, headed for the hills. And advocated a different way of life: wind-power, solar, and so on.
And nothing wrong with that. I myself have a copy of the Whole Earth Catalog still on my shelves, plus the 'Epilog', and so on. But the whole thing is, idealism doesn't provide many calories to a person.
Equally, though, I know how to kill a rabbit painlessly (I think), skin and gut it and make a nice meal. And I bet Greta Thumsuck doesn't.
This is a BB abould an oil company share, goddammit. I hope when I wake up tomorrow I won't be reading any more posts defending something entirely against all investments in such a company. Instead, as to how this SP is below 40, something I never thought I'd see again.
Yorkshirelife,
My apologies. I've just finished my habitual online game in 4th place (ie in the money) but am still wide awake. So another bit from your post.
"increased global human population! Cure that and you "start" to heal the planet... "
Nonono. There's nothing wrong with the planet.
When the comet or meteor which wiped out the dinosaurs hit, the planet (let's call her Ms Gaia) maybe said 'Ouch!' (assuming she's sentient), but carried on her giddy way orbiting around her friendly sun, probably completely unaware that various microscopic parasites on her skin had been obliterated.
When Pangea, the old mega-continent split apart due to tectonic movement, what was that? Just a 'facial'. Hey! The uplift of the Alps, Pyrenees, and the Himalayas due to further 'facelifts' are just a few wrinkles appearing on her friendly face.
Of course, Greta Thumsuck is way too young to know anything about the Gai Hypothesis, it's not taught in many schools, and... she chose to skip school to pursue a celebrity career with the connivance of her parents, anyway.
As someone once said, "it's tough to make predictions, especially about the future" (AIM-investors take note).
Same as it's unlucky to be superstitious.
Yorkshirelife,
No! I'm not picking on you! But your sparse posts contain a lot.
" At 16 with aspergers... she could still teach most politicians a thing or two ."
The new UK Prime Minister displays many of the symptoms related to Asperger's.... Or has nobody noticed that?
I find that a situation where a psychologically dysfunctional immature individual is picking on more well balanced experienced individuals more than distasteful. I see a media choosing a young ' innocent individual using her perceived purity for their own ends. I see parents using any opportunity to elevate their offspring into the limelight and I see an individual exploited for her identity to further the goals of the fascist greenies.
I have much personal experience of autism and aspergers, I was also writing letters of concern for the environment to the hen PM in the 1970's.
I strongly disagree with Yorkshire life in his assertion that we must be nice to the little angel. That is exactly her reason d'etre. An innocent face beyond rebuke.
I do however agree entirely that the core problem is too many people. All other considerations are consequences of too many people and are at best not addressing the root cause. Co2 is just a sideshow.
As one of the most highly populated countries in the world ( density ) it seems the UK is at the sharp end of human destruction.
The planet will survive. Civilisation is what's at risk.
Tarantula - Excellent post!
You put my thoughts into a superb precis. I'm glad someone had the ability to create and post it.
Of course, not all will agree, but they don't count! Ha ha !
So must the young now wait until they are 18 or older or something before being allowed to express themselves? Probably a good idea if it avoids the disparage aimed at her.
Whilst some may characterise people with Asperger's as being 'at risk' the reality is they are often the opposite and, as I suspect is the case with Greta, are of above normal intelligence. They just interpret things differently, often without the same level of emotion or empathy those without Asperger possess.
Greta is young yes but I think that's one of the reasons she should be heard as she's unburdened and untainted by external pressures that motivate (politicians for example) some to may a point for their own gain. Greta is trying to make a point for the planet. The fact she's made it so well has upset those who don't believe or fully subscribe in climate change. As well as the usual idiots.
Tantalum / Adoubleuk,
Reading back through your replies and comments, it feels like we're all on the same page but simply interpreting one passage of the text differently... it's starting to feel like a Brexit conversation all over again....
Adoubleuk: As for "Boris" aspergers? Surely not! ;-)
I'd get on the Titanic if it meant I could spend 5 minutes with my daughter - good luck to her and her dad. I have been wondering for a while now whether , for Hur, this is any sort of problem. Once they start to reduce oil demand then some companies are going to stop producing and that restricts the oil flow - at the end - easy to produce and refine oil may be at a premium - if a country has access to it prevents them operating in a ransom situation (How would Putin aim to use that sort of situation?) . My point is Hur and WoS may be producing right up to the end and may command quite a premium by then. It seems to be almost a patriotic duty to support and of course be supported by Hur. One job I used to do was overtaken by all sorts of developments that apparently made my skills redundant until of course the legacy stuff on which even the new stuff was built needed to be kept running - £37.50 and hour and that was a long time ago - sometimes £100+ an hour if specific knowledge required , and the country was a bit dangerous. Our lifestyles are built on oil perhaps something similar will happen.
There is no real sign of the annual increase in Oil consumption changing. When plotted on a graph and trended, demand is increasing at pretty much the same upward rate that it has since 1950. I keep looking for signs of a consumption plateau but don't see any sign yet of one developing. It is no different for Gas where the trend also continues upwards. Coal consumption though may have peaked and now be declining, although we need a few years more data to confirm. Some of the doom mongering discussion anbout the future of the Oil & Gas Industry is being overplayed for now, but it will happen one day.
...not easy seeing oil demand - supply trends at peak. Do remember peak is 100 million BO every day! That is a lot of oil, mature fields decline at 3-7% per year so still need significant new developments to just maintain current production. What has changed in oil market is that $80-100/BO is very unlikely and >$100/BO is extremely unlikely. So price fluctuations are present indicating oil industry needs to get on as 5-10 years from now new development will be hard to sanction unless politically driven or to meet local needs. The latter will still mean good work for many! even if oil demand drops by 2% per year which would be a dramatic new era for everyone.
Many people support the need for action on climate change, including me, BUT what action is the question and in what timescale?
My view is that in the rush to do something we will likely do the wrong thing for the long term benefit, such as when we rushed to diesel and now rushing to electric cars (as if that is the ultimate solution, a no brainer!). So Greta says listen to climate change scientists, but what I want is for people/politicians to listen to the scientists/technologists of solutions and put billions into their research programmes, that is where the big money should be going, not just into more electric charging points.....we might find in a few years that hydrogen or something else is the solution (for cars). There are many angles to this climate change problem and not all based on reduction in fossil fuels, from population control to veggie burgers to stem cell grown meat, etc.
In the mean time I still firmly believe that there is a strong future for homegrown oil and HUR, given all the ongoing geopolitics.
Hi foresight 22,
Einstein is supposed to have declared compound interest as the 8th natural wonder of the world.
You're right to point to the Compound Natural Depletion Rate (= the rate at which - left unattended/uncorrected - oilfield production declines NATURALLY) of 3-4% a year. Fields producing , collectively, 100mbbl/day today will produce only 96 or 97 mbbl in 2020....
So, even supposing oil demand were to drop by your postulated 2 % p.a. (which some might challenge), the supply/demand dynamic is unlikely to change materially, as I understand it.
Macro-economics may affect short term, but nderlying demand seems pretty baked in........and supply is finite/falling, absent ongoing E and P.
ATB
I’m sticking to two kids, eating less meat but still flying on holiday.
I'm sticking to NO kids, eating less meat, cycling as much as I can... and changing my diesel car (sob...sob...I love it though!) sometime next year for a green(er) alternative.