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Is an imposition now defined as something one doesn’t agree with?
“This not all to do with a pay rise it is in fact about Jansen choosing to rip up the rule book and impose rather than negotiate terms and conditions.“
How do you think the union negotiations would fare IF Drahi got more control? Serious question.
two sides to every coin.
Whine all you like, you CWU whippersnappers. BT will grow and succeed despite your vile repudiations. The CWU, like all other unions, is doomed to fail. What are you fighting for, you twerps? If you were fighting for the 'supposed' millions of people in this country who rely on food banks, I would support you all the way. However, you want for nothing, you greedy dogs. You only want to put more money in your own pockets. Shame on you and your flaccid, outdated union. YUK!
"For many years there has been a good relationship between employees/unions and management Jansen chose to ignore that and walk away from negotiations so if he gets away with this where does it stop."
My understanding is that BT went as high as they were willing to go, with a final offer. Didn't BT up the original offer from £1,200 to £1,500 during negotiations? So the Union secured an extra £300 across the board, BT disagreeing to go higher isn't "walking away". The Union could have accepted the extra £300 as a win, instead they've decided to start a fight. Failing to agree isn't walking away, unless you define walking away as the Union not getting their way.
This not all to do with a pay rise it is in fact about Jansen choosing to rip up the rule book and impose rather than negotiate terms and conditions. For many years there has been a good relationship between employees/unions and management Jansen chose to ignore that and walk away from negotiations so if he gets away with this where does it stop. I can tell you the staff are more ****ed off than you and the company think and no it isnt just older engineers it is all the way through the ranks including managers who admittedly have a different union but are voicing their opinions.
The employees of BT or any company are the companyies best assets. Some think they should be treated like liabilities?
Not sure why you invest in bt with your anti employee that you forget build the network, best jog on eh son and invest a n somewhere that will listen to your drone ??
I think those who have not been employed by BT and some who are just anti employee rights, should also consider all the work the CWU has done over the last 40 years to bring about benefits for the company as well. It’s not all about strike action, demanding more for less. BT and the CWU have worked together far more often than against each other. That relationship has given us the company we have today, and after this little scuffle is resolved, will continue to work with each other to move the company and it’s employees into a bright future…
Know why the union activists on here are so desperate to be heard? They are becoming increasingly desperate.
Meanwhile in the grown ups world. - what are thoughts on Mr Drahi?
Is he waiting to see if his potential bid will be blocked before he makes it?
Anyone's guess
What are thoughts on whether a strike ballot will get over the line?
If it was me, I wouldn't strike
And what about that billing court case bubbling away?
" the next case management conference (“CMC”), which is presently due to take place in November 2022. That CMC would then be heard by the appointed Trial Tribunal."
Great post exbt and proud - my second post and only left in February 2022 after 24 years. You are correct in all you say and I will also add that those C3’s which there are many will also be working from home on that pay and depending on how well the they get on with their manager will dictate how many days they need to go into an office. There is a lot of thatvband WFH doing very little.
Blimey, a lot has changed since 2016.
Not sure that can be relevant?
This is quite old but I believe DT still desires BT (They no the valve when its all IP) when the majority of the fibre is rolled out I don't believe they would need openreach and be happy to push for a sell off. I don't think Draghi will ultimately buy openreach but some private equity firm. Jansen wants to make money so I'm just going to keep my powder dry for a couple of years.
https://www.telecomtv.com/content/digital-platforms-services/what-s-up-with-softbank-deutsche-telekom-dt-bt-t-mobile-us-42325/
https://www.lightreading.com/services/cloud-services/bt-dt-tie-up-holds-all-ip-cloud-promise/a/d-id/720345
I despair at the pointless comments on here.
Meanwhile in the grown ups world. - what are thoughts on Mr Drahi?
Is he waiting to see if his potential bid will be blocked before he makes it?
What are thoughts on whether a strike ballot will get over the line?
And what about that billing court case bubbling away?
Lots to write about without personal attacks etc etc.
That figures!
Champagne socialist
Mandy , i have an interest in both camps , i own shares as well
vive la revolution
Hey BeeTee. Don't know if you've noticed. But you've got a huge chip in your shoulder. LOL
Oh dear , all the capitalist fat cats flapping like a flag in a hurricane , just because a union legally ballots for strike action
Here is something to cheer you up boys
Clause 4 - To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.
Good post ExBTandProud. Reassuring to read that you also have the same thoughts as myself regarding BT becoming a cash cow in future. The patient BT shareholder will be handsomely rewarded from 2025. IMO.
Hi All. I read all your comments on the site daily. Generally very informative and occasionally amusing. I have never posted on here before but thought I would try to put your minds at ease a little. Having ‘worked’ for BT for 41 years I do have a little insight into the mindset of BT employees. The majority of the younger staff, who are receiving the biggest percentage pay rise are those least able to afford to strike, they work lots of overtime because they need the money. The older office based staff, C3 grade are on £40k, plus overtime if they can be bothered. I was office based and I know my ex colleagues will have no appetite for a strike. The only people who may think about striking would be the older external field engineers, but there are way too few of them left to make a difference. I personally think the chances of a strike are remote, but that is based on all the above. I intend to keep my fifty thousand shares for at least 5 years and reap the dividend. Once the fibre is in the ground, the cost savings will be enormous versus the clunky old copper network. BT will become a cash cow at some point in the next few years, and I will be (hopefully) there when it does. GLA
"Low paid get 8% higher paid minimum 3.5%. The union said they accept rises should be skewed to low paid. They will negotiate a flat rate of , eg, £1750 or a One off bonus on top of the £1500, meaning more lower paid secure 10% and the higher paid end up with a minimum 4%."
Where did you get that information from? As I haven't seen that myself.
An extra £250, on top of the existing pay rise, comes to £20.83 a month. £5.21 a week is hardly life changing, and arguably unnoticeable, hardly worth losing wages and pension contributions over.
The CWU have been quite vociferous, and loitering outside someone's property is potentially harassment and unacceptable, what were they thinking? Put banners up outside BT commercial properties, but outside someone's house, really? Add to that, they are telling nutters where Philip Jansen's family may be staying, potentially encouraging others to harass them, or worse. I wonder how the Union would feel if Philip Jansen sent people round to the Union leaderships houses and putting up banners outside their houses.
The narrative pushed by the Government is that Energy prices will drop, and supply chain issues will ease, reducing inflation next year, so is this the time to pick a fight, at the risk of creating a persistant inflationary environment? My pension pay rise this year was just over 2% this year, the most I can expect is around 4.2% capped pay rises; I believe the BT pensions are capped around 5%, what happens to them in a high inflation wage-price spiaral? And as I pointed out previously, but quoting a metaphor I heard on CNBC, the BOE Hammer is interest rates, with the nail being inflation, can the lower paid cope with big increases in thei mortgage interest rate?
I own my house, I have investments on top of my pension, so I'll be ok. I've been around long enough to see the relationship between big pay rises and inflation; Should the unions get their way, with big pay rises, there may be unintended consequences going forward, like big hikes in interest rates.
The union claims that BT "gave away £761m" in dividends to its shareholders. BT didn't give away this amount, it rewarded its owners who went without during the pandemic. The union also claims that workers working on the "front line". For goodness sake, anyone would think that they are on the front line in the war in Ukraine.
No wonder you are such and abject performer! Of course the majority of people on this board are more interested in the share price than the whining 'rebels without a cause' unions. The share price affects their returns. That goes for the army of small investors in BT, ex employees included. Get a grip abject performer. On second thoughts, it's probably too late for you. Ciao