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Thanks MrAdventurous, saved me saying it :-) Facepalm
Plus....the fact that the number of deaths were higher in the 2x group is likely to point to the fact that those people were much older, which as we know puts them at the higher end of the risk spectrum. This data, without additional factors included is inconclusive and potentially misleading
NDN - 1, What's the source? 2, What's the total number of all infections?
Those numbers are pretty meaningless without knowing the total number of infections.
A couple comments. It isn't a simple as considering the mortality rate. The mortality is only low If ICU treatment is available. Whilst it is true that the proportion of infected people who need hospitalisation is low and has been lowered further by vaccination, if infections are allowed to get out of control then that small proportion of millions still threatens NHS capacity and can tip over into many deaths.
The high R value of the Delta variant and selection pressure which is making newer variants even more infectious makes this almost probable without intervention and management.
Vaccination is definitely helping but isn't solving the problem.
Maybe many of the population aren't aware that you can still potentially contract CV19 after 2x vax, but the fact is that the chances of COVID causing serious problems was low anyway, and now that low number has been reduced by 90%....in other words the chance of someone who is double vaccinated being hospitalised by CV19 is vanishingly small.
Also, the chances of someone contracting covid and being asymptomatic have also been severely reduced, which will also massively help with transmission.
But yeah, a very very small proportion of the population may die from CV19 even after 2x vax.....but it really is incredibly small.
Oneknows "And there lies the problem 90% of the people I speak with think having had both jabs it gives them superpowers ffs,The government messaging on this point is rubbish."
I think you need to replace the word rubbish with deliberate....I'm sure the majority of the population aren't aware you can still get Covid... ;-)
As John40 - The purpose of vaccination is the radically reduced the detrimental effects of the virus. They do not prevent transmission.
Again - we’re looking at a micro level, the UK Vox programme is world leading. The paradigm shift to green light testing is prevent spread across borders allowing holidays to commence, on top of controlling the spread within the UK.
Both with the goal of preventing further lockdowns, opening up airways, and getting people back into work.
I understand that John :)
Ceesor ...just because you are vaccinated it doesn't mean you can't get it..it just gives you a better chance of survival...
I have mild symptoms, but I tested because my step-son has just contracted it. I expect my partner who is also double-jabbed has it too, but I think her viral loads are too low to be picked up at the moment
Why did you test? Just routine or did you have symptoms?
Had 2nd jab over a month ago. Just tested positive this morning! :(
You are right Chrisbak in all you say.. but we must remember that 'government' is easily manipulated. Politicians still work (or whatever you prefer to call it) for trinkets and a few pounds. The BIG power lays with the BIG money. Follow the BIG money.
We have had two good examples of 'moral character' from Handjab and Blowjab and I can only speak for myself.. to say I wouldn't buy a used car off either of 'em is putting it mildly..
Chrisbak - That not true, people who are fully vaccinated are far less likely to pass on the virus.
"A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
There are many more reports, but i'm a big believer in DYOR :-)
No, 10% of those that were previously vulnerable will still be vulnerable, a vast proportion of the population are not even aware they have CV19.
The government do not want the message getting out that 2x jabbed people can still be infectious. They are holding out the carrot of easier travel to the 2x jabbed even though they are as likely to pass on covid as the non jabbed. All down to trying to get everyone vaxxed up.
The vaccinations have not yet been fully tested, everything so far is based on assumption and sampling. We’re not fully open, social distancing remains. We’ll only determine the true efficacy once everyone is mixing. Given the high r value of the delta variant it won’t take long to spread as being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t spread it. Everyone is expecting a spike and another wave and keeping their fingers crossed the NHS will be ok. A combo of the delta variant and a resurgence in other respiratory viruses will make this a tough winter... Unless testing is used effectively, by then they’ve not got anything else to rely on. It’s a one way street etc, everyone will be vaccinated.
EGTP...and how long after his 2nd jab did he contract Covid?
I wish there was more emphasis given to the fact Jabs are not a preventative and the % protection is an 'as high as' %.
Antibodies are not produced at the same rate/quantity from individual to individual and medications people are on can affect the antibody production too...
Euro 2021 will be a nightmare for some as many will catch Covid ...case in point Scotland right now...let's hope we don't see more Long Covid cases...
And there lies the problem 90% of the people I speak with think having had both jabs it gives them superpowers ffs,The government messaging on this point is rubbish.
I had covid last year in may but it was no where near as bad as the flu that I get every year.
Just saying
Ive always needed to see before totally believing, so when two friends that I knew personally confirmed they had covid twice last year. I then became totally convinced the ODX anti body test was quite useless
And news that my pal has just tested positive for covid with quite bad symptoms this morning, after having both astra jabs, is unfortunately good enough for me to totally believe testing is and was always only the only way out of this
Yes I think £5 is a reasonable short term target but as ever don’t listen to anything anyone says
DYOR