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Novicehunter accuses someone of a basic world view only to then give us one from the other side of the idealogical coin.
Meanwhile, the SP plunges once more.
Thanks for the tip copperpot. Did look into UPL it when you last mentioned it but didn't invest at the time. Just read today's RNS, phenomenal offer rejected; so got in this morning.
Jezzoo you are repeating propaganda.
Look at the countries in the world attracting the most investment.
They are the ones with balanced economies.
Don't believe the lies.
The rich like to live in countries that are safe, have good schools and universities and have a structure of law that allows them to enjoy life.
Money is important to them, but as long as we don't go mad with taxation, they are willing to pay more.
Just look at the Scandinavian countries and Switzerland.
According to you wealth would be exiting these countries double quick.
But in reality the opposite is happening.
Late, late print of 1.5 mil shares appeared Friday.
So we have a too far left leaning government and it's killing the country, so your bright idea is to go even further Left and go into throwing cash at the poor mode ?
That would be a good time to get into Brewery and Tobacco shares I think.
If you tax the rich too much they have the option and the money to leave, it's been done before and those rich folk don't come back until it's financially viable.
The "poor" won't get rich and the rich that don't leave will hide their money instead of re investing it, did you read about the Bamfords ? And it hasn't even happened yet .
My source .......that NAL said didn't exist reckons this price is still way undervalued and has lots of upside.
I understand this is the Solg board but I want some of the good guy's to make a few quid.
Novicehunter these are not my views.
I am a part qualified actuary.
This is what has allowed the far East, countries like Singapore and South Korea to grow so rapidly.
You are talking about trickle down economics.
This has been proven time and time again not to work.
Again please read what I have said.
I am not on about taxing the rich as some ideological mantra.
I am on about rebalancing the economy, and unfortunately the tax burden has been skewed against the poorest in society.
You say the richest provide growth and prosperity.
But we have kept the richest taxes down and taxed the poorest.
And the opposite has happened, not only in the UK, but the rest of the western world.
So your premise is wrong in its completeness.
Get into UPL when I tipped them at 0.5p 5-6 months ago?
Quady we all have our personal views on taxation and unfortunately mine do not sit with your very basis perfect world view.not sure why this bb has suddenly become a economics forum as in reality does not really affect us, plus we all know that the taxing system needs to be as it is as the “richest” are the elements of our society and economy that drive growth and prosperity for the “poor “ as you so belittlingly write
Anyway let’s hope for a better week here
The total mismanagement of the UK economy is the reason I am going to vote Labour at the next general election.
I have never voted Labour in my life.
But this awful government that doesn't have a clue how to make work pay, and attacks those that are in jobs has to go and be defeated comprehensively.
So that they take time to reflect what the people of this country want.
Does Labour have the answers?
Probably not, but we cannot carry on like this.
Addicknt, please read my posts.
I am on about rebalancing the UK economy.
This is why we have a cost of living crisis.
It is almost impossible for someone on minimum wage to survive.
This is because the tax system is skewed to taxing the poorest in society more on a sliding scale.
Also fixed expenditure like council tax and energy bills affect the poorest to a greater degree.
This is because the SSA has been continuously cut again shifting the tax burden to the poorest in society.
I repeat I am talking about rebalancing.
This is why we have to increase taxes for the richest 25%.
Over the past decade taxes have been disparportionally landed on the poorest. Hence I am on about rebalancing, as this should never have happened in the first place.
As for QE we had no choice.
The QE aspect isn't that bad as the money isn't spent.
It's used to support the banks under it's capital requirements, so that existing lending doesn't have to be called in.
It's just to strengthen balance sheets and it will all be paid back with interest.
Why do I bother....
Q, I'm not 'confusing this with taxing the rich', your posts did. You also confuse spending power with propensity to spend - they are not synonymous.
Addicknt normally taxing any part of society reduces investment.
However in unbalanced economies that is not the case.
If the debt burden on an individual case was balanced, then interest rates is the answer.
When it's not then taxing the sections of society that have the spending power is
Germany being a case in example.
Also the Scandinavian countries. Also Switzerland.
This is how modern capitalism works.
Balancing economic output is not a socialist idea.
I think you are confusing this with taxing the rich.
It's not about that, it's about sharing the burden of taxation.
We know flat tax systems don't work.
Q, I was confused by the contradiction between both posts. You are right to say interest rates and taxation are the tools used to reduce inflation, but your point about the "rich" isn't. As you know, the wealthy have a much higher propensity to save and, as such, their impact on inflation is limited. An increase of say 5 or even 10% on higher earners has only one effect and that is to reduce investment . This has been proven time after time. Higher top rates are simply used by socialist governments as a sop to their followers and are driven by the politics of envy. They are not based upon economic theory or practice.
Controlling inflation has always been painful and it's inevitable that those with the least money suffer the most. There's no avoiding this, although politicians will never admit to this fundamental truth, despite the evidence smacking everyone in the face.
QE has been an unmitigated disaster and it makes my blood boil when I hear those responsible, Mark Carney in particular, deny their part in causing the current mess. The failures of this country are too numerous to mention, but all of them stem from the ineptitude of our politicians and central bankers. We have been very badly served by all of them.
Good morning addicknt.
Normally raising interest rates restricts money supply, but that only works in balanced economies.
What we have in the UK currently is an unbalanced economy.
So the money supply amongst the poorest is already restricted.
Hence you need to restrict the money supply of the richest 25% without hurting the 75% of the people already struggling.
This is why for the moment we need to raise taxes.
Now ideally spending should still be constrained and the extra money that is raised should be used to reduce the deficit.
As government is what is restricting investment.
This is because when government debt is too high, business knows at some point it's taxes will rise.
So we need to start fixing the deficit while not strangling growth and reducing inflation.
Hence restricting money supply for the people increasing their spending and not attacking the people reducing their spending and creating a recession and at the same time costing jobs and reducing tax revenues.
This isn't forever, but is required now.
1984
Not sure I would have agreed with your use of words but in essence you are spot on, although I disagree on the climate issue in terms of cost.
The return on investing in renewables keeps on getting better via batteries solar etc Musk hasn’t done too bad, mind you everything he touches seems to turn to gold……
Same goes for sharketmare’s post.
If the NHS is like the court system no wonder there are millions waiting for appointments.
All public services are 💩
Q, you've lost me. In your post of 17:52 you said that unless you raise taxes for the rich (I don't know what your definition of rich is) interest rates will remain high. Then in your post of 20:59 you said you can't control inflation by interest rates. Erm...
As a monetarist, I agree with your comment about the money supply and it doesn't take a genius to realise that policy since 2008 has been utterly ruinous.
Incidentally, your first comment is wrong - I can think of one poster who takes that accolade hands down, and it isn't 1984.
What started as a thoughtful exploration of the international financial relevance of gold; ends as a bunch of pub bores quoting from the Daily Mail. No probs, today's another week.
Exactly so a nation with a massive moat around us, we have a wonderful advantage.
Stop allowing immigrants in to dilute the wealth we have
Increasing population=demand
Supply is finite
Water, food, housing, health care, more or less everything, including money supply, unless countries print money.
Not just uk, but a worldwide problem.
Result = lower standards, but for possible 1% of population
Sharket that’s the price we have paid for a number of idiotic policies, not least net zero, ESG, “diversity” and all of the other “race to the bottom” strategies that stunt growth and increase dependence on subsidy for ever more non contributors in society
We are literally exporting our wealth and lifestyles by importing peasants and encouraging scroungers and the self-entitled culture at Eve try opportunity
It is all too easy for anyone these days to claim they are disadvantaged, disabled, entitled to benefits, demand they’re our first for a job and all other manner of atrocious traits so long as they aren’t white, male and straight
We are being displaced
yet the fifth biggest economy clearly showing that manufacturing is a drag on our gdp otherwise we’d be fifth or better.
inflation is controlled by managing expansion of money supply. you’ve just agreed with me that interest rates won’t work!!
increasing vat would curb discretionary expensing which is mainly done by “the rich”. think about it for a moment, the essentials are zero rated so wouldn’t affect lower incomes who surely only buy what they need and not sky tv, ***s, booze and tanning salon sessions
MarketMare,
So what are you saying?
Bet you feel better that’s off the chest lol
Atb
Sorry addicknt I am right on all three points.
He is the most unintelligent poster on here.
He is now talking about manufacturing.
In 2018 we were the 9th biggest manufacturer in the world.
In 2021 we became the 8th biggest.
In my third point.
Normally increasing any taxes is not a good thing for industrial output.
But as money supply is increasing amongst the richest in society and decreasing amongst the poorest 75%.
It makes no sense to control inflation by interest rates.
You only do this where you have a balanced economy.