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What if the Airbag supplier was only paid if there is a crash or the sunroof vendor only got paid when the cover was retracted? Paul wouldn't be letting OEMs sign that sort of contract.

With Ford, they contract with a Tier1 who provide a camera, lights and mount. There is some cabling to a metal box the size of a paperback. That contains a Xylinx FGPA chip and a copy of the Seeing Machines software that then links into the car's communications bus.

If the hardware is installed, then an alternative steering column cover is required. If the car has multiple colours for the interior, then you may need to stock more varieties x2.

Supporting multiple variations of hardware and trim colours soon gets expensive. If you run out of dark grey trim with the DMS slot you can't make the car. JIT reduces this issue, but variety still costs. This is normally addressed by packaging features together.

This is an example, but you can see it happening in various models, but the details will change.

Base model light grey interior only, no DMS (initially)

Next level up light grey interior only DMS optional, so need 2 covers.

Middle to top. DMS is included by standard or optional-but always installed. 3 trim colours all will have the DMS slot

Now the top models costs >100k and gets BlueCruise as standard. But you pay to use it

Moving down the range, initially they were optional installs, but now they are installed for 'free' in every car, but you have to pay to use them.

Bottom of the range, if it is not mandatory they won't fit it, this is the bargain basement version and these customers are price sensitive at initial purchase and would be a low take up of subscriptions.

OEMs don't install the hardware for free and get away with not paying their suppliers. They are making a bet that the total cost of hardware, minus the savings in the supply chain and a installation from removing variety will we outweighed by the income that a % of customers will pay for the feature in the initial x months.

So free trial or not, if it is in the car at production time Seeing Machines get their cut. This is happening to more models across the range and in Europe it is mandatory in all models soon anyway

Bonzoful, repeat after me

"I won't get excited about a new sensor, until I have checked the resolution"

700 x 700 won't work for auto. That is head mounted or endoscopy.

Thanks JC, but that is another example of trying to patent the crumbs, because someone already patented the cake

I don't think I need to add much to this one, we have all seen the demos at CES or before hand with Out of Spec reviews.

But I will say, thanks JC for all your digging

Has anyone seen a design win by Melexis or Eyeris.

Cipia have cornered the market for Chery and a handful of those models may arrive in Europe, but not exactly world beating

Bonzoful,

These cameras are no use to Seeing Machines. 800 x 700 pixel resolution is too low for our Automotive use case. These are designed for glasses or Head mounted AR /VR eye tracking

Seems a strange way to do this patent, it is for a system to check for at least one hand on the wheel when approaching a dangerous area.

They describe stereo cameras, 3d depth perception, gaussian blurring then ellipse detection to find the steering wheel, then looking for occlusion of the wheel.

It would be easier to have capacitive touch steering wheel and combine with DMS without needing stereo vision as the 3d posing engine can verify where the arms are with more confidence, but perhaps that wasn't patent able?

This is nothing special, just 3d holograms with touch screens. I deal for receiving messages from Princesses or for viewing death stars.

Not sure when this will turn up in a vehicle rather than in a movie. But it does need eye tracking for each occupant so we know that part of the technology is real and possible.

Thanks JC

I doubt this will hit any OEM, perhaps may get added to some Dash Cams if they are lucky. Nota AI are AI specialists, not DMS experts. They list Hyundai as a Partner or Client, but I doubt it is for their DMS. Perhaps that is for their valuable Raspberry PI experience?

Bonzful - See wouldn't use STMicro VD55G1

Advanced Global Shutter 2D imaging sensor with 800x700 resolution, in compact size

Resolution is too small https://www.st.com/en/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/vd55g1.html

I will fix that imminently

https : / / t . me / seeingmachines

santa is busy reading stacks of christmas letters from see shareholders asking for an rns for christmas, but he passed your request on to me.

luckily, i can deliver this one early, *************seeingmachines

the rest may have to wait until ces in january

the elves is

Most OEMs do their model switchover in this quarter. So you have production interruptions while they re-tool.

But you know what new models means - more cars get SEE on board and for cars that already have it they move down to be in more trim levels if it isn't mandated

Thanks JC, this is not auto related at all and certainly is not in competition with SEE.

Smart contact lenses that can focus and have control over the light entering the eye.

But what distance should the focus to? That is where the convergence comes in. It identified what you are looking at by how far you have converged your gaze.

Clever but crazy

I am looking forwards to the Latam and Skandi portions of Linde discussing their DMS suppliers with their colleagues at world wide safety conferences.

We both supply to top 10 companies in this segment, but which of us will extend to other regions?

Valeo's Smart Safety 360 is a single box that is mounted on the windscreen, near the mirror. It has forward and interior cameras and comes with 3 radar and 12 Ultrasonic sensors. ADAS in a box for OEMs.

Did I mention it has DMS and Paul liked it.

This will safely take our IP to China, India and anywhere else. Low integration costs means it can be added late in the design.

This will sell very well.

This is the perfect compliment to the Magna mirror for taking the bulk of low/mid market (aka mass market)

(And we still get our custom design cream for BMW etc)

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/geoffrey-bouquot-71b53724_valeo-smart-safety-360-activity-7112483526674927616-SR9a?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

No surprise that Paul likes it!

That is a slam dunk solution. The mirror location is the best, but doesn't need to be in the mirror.

Auto config of DMS and forward facing cameras make this possible, we have seen the patents and now here it is. Could be installed quickly in new vehicle designs, including India and China

Thanks Seize.

This video gets the TLS thumbs up.

Turn on closed captions and autotranslate via the CC and cog buttons, it is worth it.

This is preproduction still with OmniVision 2.3 Megapixel camera IR, will go to 5 MP before launch, where it will be RBG-IR so colour video available.

Thanks JC,

Gentex are falling behind on their parents!

Magna write War and Peace to cover every aspect.

Gentex show a DMS in a mirror, but the "unique" thing they are patenting seems to be the time it takes for the driver to notice what is happening outside.

Slim pickings!

Thanks Sandy, I will be monitoring the Deli counter in the local supermarkets and live posting updates to Cheese prices which are more relevant than a slowing of production in a minority of US plants, many of which haven't started using SEE yet.

Remind me which US union controls the Mexican Cuautitlán Izcalli assembly plant where the Mach-E is made?