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Perhaps it is the same (few?) people buying and selling. Hence, the visible anomaly. We await events to really put all this to the test.

I am pretty sure these numbers don't mean much, if anything, at all. And can be safely ignored in assessing supply and demand. This site is useful for discussion only, not for anything else, and least of all accurate and meaningful numbers.

A true measure of the times we live in when companies like these head the leaders' board! Good luck and well done to all investors here.

Yes, I did see the (infamous) Wall Street movie, and Gekko became a role model for so many aspiring city money merchants. I read an interview he gave about this role, and how 'seductive' it was for so many people who regarded him (the protagonist Gekko) as a hero, a role model, and not a nefarious character to be wary of, or to take away any moral from the story other than the prospect of easy money, unearned, but 'scammed' out of the real economy. This blight on the economic landscape is native to the financialization of the world (and it is financialization, not globalization, that is doing the real damage to the real economy). Regulators (inept and more than likely corrupt) and government (kowtowing to the money men) offer no meaningful respite for a normal investing culture. It is all predatory. The real economy suffers. That is the real sin. Perhaps the works at Mouchel can take a leaf out of John Lewis' book and become a co-operative of sorts. New models of capitalism are desperately needed.

It is a terribly depressing indictment of the system you are painting, when good companies and skilled workers are merely chess pieces or gaming chips swapped around by the 'elites'. I am lost for words if the outcomes you envision are realized. This is bad for the real economy all round. And is speaks volumes of (mis)management. As people, we often follow by example. If these 'vultures' are circling companies to pick them off, then that same ethos will migrate to the general investor, and no one will really care about anything anymore. This is not capitalism, it's legalized raping of assets.

That's a pretty harsh, blunt, and bleak way of representing private equity. Clearly, this recession will come to an end, and they guys are merely embarking on fund raising at this early stage to pick up some bargains. The question here is - is Mouchel Group a bargain? I think these equity groups will see some value here, but they are finicky buyers and will be out to cherry pick. I don't see them taking on companies with excessive debt burdens, low worker morale, etc. Put yourself in their, or Mr. Rumbles shoes and ask: how would you turn Mouchel around? You need economic growth. You have to grow your way out of this problem, to tame the debt, to rekindle the solid civil engineering parts of the business. For that you need growth. So, we can't blame Mr. Rumbles. It's the previous management who did the real (and hopefully not lasting) damage.

I can't see the relevance of that article to Mouchel's fate. Like it or not, it's the management under the helm of Mr. Rumbles that really count here. If there was a prospect of a full takeover at this stage (rather than vultures waiting to cherry pick the juiciest pieces) then I would imagine the board would entertain this proposal, and would follow it up. Perhaps that's part of their strategy, i.e. they are actively looking for a buyer? It's all a guessing game at present.

The question is, is this company worth investing in? Looking at its forex platform, it has some issues to resolve. Thus, caution is warranted.

A £1.45 million bonus, plus his salary. That is comparable to the current value of this company! There is something terribly wrong here. Given that Mr. Rumbles has made comments regarding 'significant share dilution....' following on the heels of a rights issue or debt for equity swap, this makes no sense to me at all! What planet do these guys live on? Corporate Britain has become a warren for self-serving managers and directors.

I would like to know what the priorities are of the management. Is is saving as many jobs as possible? Paying down debt? Expansion? Consolidation? It will be the priorities that will determine the course they will ultimately take. Anyone with information is invited to share this with users of this board.

Your comments, which you have a right to make, and in fact gave supporting evidence to justify them, are gloomy to say the least. I know this company from its middle east activities (as I remarked before) and I remain astonished how it has ended up here. It had so much going for it. These mid-size companies should be making strides, not floundering. The prior management really ought to be brought to book, and made to compensate shareholders out of their own pockets. If such a sanction existence in law, then this gloomy scenario we see before us would not arise.

And what if there is no spike in volatility just around the corner?

How the deuce do these cretins manage to come up with such precise numbers as 1692, 1521...? Any rational scientist of the caliber of Einstein, Dirac, Heisenberg, Planck, etc would round up these numbers to 1700, 1520 etc. It just illustrates how utterly crass this entire game of broker-analysts is. I would have me a donkey give better precision than these City clogs.

Mouchel's core business of Civil Engineering was sound, sustainable, and strong. Their diversion into other totally unrelated services was not the way to grow the business organically, since it did not draw on any of Mouchel's proven strengths (and not forgetting all those critical relationships). The strengths were compromised by diverting into back office nonsense (nonsense for an engineering firm, that is) and the resultant lack of focus on the core, and management directing their attention to these new ventures. That is my point regarding the Taylor Wimpey analogy. This is not accurate, in my opinion. Back office contracts done easily and cheaply in places like India and Vietnam, say, cannot be described as augmenting the core business.

The market ALWAYS overreacts, because market makers are not rational people. They are in fact psychopaths in need of psychiatric help (clinical remedies, not the therapies of psychologists) Perhaps Shire can develop drug(s) to help these psychopaths find reason again? The proposal is not rhetorical, but literal and serious.

I did some more research on this company, because I knew it to be a reputable name, but it seems that the management, in the RNS statements and the like with prospective rights issues, and the comment about shareholder value dwindling, has not inspired much confidence. So, I would think that investors are on a wait-and-see mode, to finally ascertain what management decides to do to plug the accounting gap. So, a lack of clarity, shaky confidence, and some unknown accounting mines that may, or may not, go off. It all adds up to general wariness and uncertainty Only time will tell.. PS - Blue-Boy's remarks regarding the putative Taylor Wimpey analogy is dubious, since that company held true to its inherent strengths in the construction sector, and did not make the mistake of deviating into unrelated ventures. So,take that analogy with a pinch of salt. These two companies 9and their problems) are not, and were not really comparable.

It would appear 'Shore Capital' got their sums wrong. And, they are not so 'sure' after all! (pun intended).

I don't expect the management to move until the markets stabilize. It's sad to see (once) good companies tank like this. It saps morale, dents confidence... all those intagible aspects that are needed for perseverance and success.

As a newbie to this crazy game, I saw the sharp fall in shareprice today. Forgive me for using common sense, but what use is hardware without software? What value a ballistic missile without its warhead, or a howitzer without the shells? Stock markets (more properly the people who appear to be manipulating them) are both irrational and, I tend to agree with Mr Pepper, somewhat fraudulent. It kind of resembles a swindle. I think I will buy in when the time is right, because it feels like a game of poker, and I am going to call someone. But I'll just bide my time.

This is not a good sign. I as astounded that Mouchel has reached this lowly level. How to dig one's way out of this conundrum? Merger? Takeover?.... This is one for the speculators among us at this point in time.