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Thanks C7.

TF,
Joke or not, it’s still a form of censorship!
I’m fine thanks, hope you are too.

The mask question is highly complex. Will people have a false sense of security wearing a mask and up their interaction with others? Will they touch their face more and increase their risk of spread? There are many considerations like this. I don’t know the answer but I certainly want to hear all the arguments for and against.

I don’t think there has been enough analysis of people infected - where did they get it? What transmitted it (person, object, airborne). Did they wear a mask - always, sometimes, never?
How often did they wash their hands?

Understanding these questions may provide conclusive evidence regarding steps that help, don’t help or hinder.

Update for C7...
My daughter in law had her last radiotherapy on Wednesday. Her hair has fallen out and has weakness in her left side. Now the recovery starts.

Self imposed censorship now is it?
Surely, intelligent people can consider all opinions and make their own minds up. If you choose to only listen to one side of an argument you cannot make an informed decision since you are not “informed”.

C7, as a Christian who only ever celebrated the last supper on Passover night (Nisan 14) I completely get the specialness of the occasion. Best wishes to you and all at this special time.

Perhaps we should go back to those roller towels? They done use electricity or paper so have to be not only the most hygienic but the most environmentally friendly as well.

LL,
Yes, I always had doubts about hand driers that spread droplets from peoples hands at great force. Given that most people rarely wash their hands properly, who knows what’s on them.

Afternoon C7,
Appreciate the comments on the posts. We have seldom seen such solidarity on this board, as you say, we are all in this together and all have been or will be touched to some degree.
Good to see the politicians taking a constructive approach rather than trying to score political points for a change.
Even the queen getting in on the act, looking forward to hearing what she has to say.

TF,

Yes it is inevitable that saving lives come first. The question is which ones?
Those dying from covid19?
Those dying from other conditions not being treated due to covid19 patients.
Those dying from cancer because trials have been delayed.
Those dying from indirect consequences of economic fallout.
Those dying from any medical condition due to a deprived health care system due to economic fallout.

The point is, there is no easy solution. They all involve people dying. The only influence the policy decisions will influence is how many and what demographic group.

This isn’t an easy decision for anyone to make. I’m just glad it’s not me having to make it.

Morning all, hope all I keeping safe and well.

I’m afraid this isn’t a black and white issue. If we look at the two extremes.

1. Positive actions - lockdown, isolation, testing, develop vaccine, bolster health service capacity (hospitals, personnel, equipment), PPE, education.

2) no action, let the virus run its course, get herd immunity, protect the economy.

The approach of most countries has been to adopt elements of both. Each option will have variances. For example, lockdown: how well is it observed or enforced - loosely or tightly?

The consequences of the two extremes will be different but both will have bad ones. The complete lockdown will impact the economy. This in itself may increase depression, suicide. The stay at home policy may affect people’s wellbeing. The indirect deaths from this will most likely be small compared to letting the virus run its course.

We just don’t know what action or combination of actions will may the best outcome. Maybe time will tell or maybe we will never know as we can’t answer the “what if?”

ATB.

Ray, if they are buzzards the make a very high pitched mew call

Ray,
Were they buzzards? They are very big and normally fly as a pair.

C7, thank you for your kind enquiry.
The radiotherapy can’t be stopped once started. The other factor is my son in law got fired from his job (for having time off to care for his wife) so the bupa is only available during his notice period and then stops so has to be done quick.
She is on day 21 of 30, only nine to go.

Thanks TF

Bermuda, sorry I didn’t appreciate it was a deaths to population ratio. The factors affecting this would be:

Population demographic - age, vulnerability
Population density - natural interaction
Policy - enforced isolation.

This is something that will touch all of us. My sister in law is quite ill but not hospitalised, she is an NHS nurse. A colleague has just told me his brother is in intensive care.
Hope everyone stays safe.

Bermuda,
It is quite simple. The death rate is the number of deaths divided by the number of cases. The death rate is accurately known. The number of cases is not known. In the stats it is the number of confirmed cases. They can only be confirmed through testing. The more you test, the more cases you will find and the lower the (apparent) death rate.

£5.27 of 4K of oysters - that would be nice.
Hope everyone is bearing up.

C7, yes it is a good idea. I think the point is YOU plant the seeds lol.
I sowed some radish, spring onion and broccoli yesterday. It was a lovely day for it.

TF, the reported death rates may be misleading.
We know the number of deaths.
The people dying will have been tested so we know for sure they died of covid 19.
The rate is calculated using number of cases. The more testing that is done, the more cases you will find. So the more you test the death rate will appear lower. Whether it really is lower can’t be determined.

For Coronavirus medicine.

I’m pretty sure the emergency funds are for hardships caused by the corona crisis, not a new and unlimited source of investment funds.